Inthebeginningministry #fundie cseblogs.com

I have finished college for the summer but two weeks before the end of term I got a really good witness with my college tutor. I mean really good! He threw all his arguments at me for an hour and a half. He found himself cornered so many times that eventually he didn’t know what to say. He was forced to admit that evolution is a religion, that the big bang is not part of science and that dinosaurs lived with man. He also admitted that there is no real way to know that the universe is billions of years old. He is by no means a convinced creationist, but they are some major concessions to make. One thing that I think that he was surprised to notice was the amount of times that he said ‘we think…’ ‘it might have…’ it’s possible that…’ or something like that. I took full advantage of pointing that out to him, and that opinions are not part of science.

GaryMurray #fundie cseblogs.com

{... speaking about a visit to the Coca Cola Space Science Museum. I just lost 10 IQ points reading the discussion in this thread so you don't have to ...}

Of course we left the video early and slipped up the darkened corridor towards the exit which is typically lit after the video, dropping Chick/Hovind tracts “In the beginning” and “Big Daddy” everywhere.

It wasn’t a ‘full house’ but people came out had the other side as well. ;)

On that note, I also enjoy visiting my local Walmart from time-to-time and shop for groceries, on my way down the drink aisle to get my Mt Dew and Coca Cola on the left, I turn to the right while passing the beer and wine aisle. Its amazing how easily those tracts fit snugly inside the box handles of the 12/24 packs ;) Something everyone should do is take a hand full of tracts with ya to the store… Slip those in from time to time… Easy witnessing, you can make good use of those prepaid solicitation envelopes you get in the mail also, forget the return credit application, just pop in a gospel tract, make the soliciting company pay for sending gospel tracts to the receiving department employees. :)

The Welders Wife #fundie cseblogs.com

When Cain’s descendant Lamech took 2 wives, he opened the door for acceptance of plural marriage to his own undoing, because now that ‘society’ accepted plural marriage, the Nephilim in all likely hood took a multitude of wives in order to build up their own armies, who in turn brought down the descendants of Cain’s descendant Lamech & everybody else, except the 8 on the Ark.

Why aren’t the sons of the Nephilim still being produced? It’s because the angels that were involved in this ultimate degradation of the family are now locked up in pits of darkness in the deepest pits of Hell, otherwise, it would still be going on! Jude 6 & 2 Peter 2:4-5 .

Noah wasn’t told to build the Ark until after Shem, Cham, & Yafet were married adults. By that time all his other descendants (if they existed) were dead! My guess is that the Nephilim killed all his other descendants in retaliation for his preaching against them.

Paul Abramson #fundie cseblogs.com

(To somewhat paraphrase MATTHEW, from April 6th, 2008 at 7:01pm)

Dear Self (P.A.),

I think it useless to argue with GENO about evolution being fact. It is amazing that evolutionists accept that all dogs came a common ancestor, with incredible built-in diversity, yet do not call this evidence for divine creation.

They use ambiguous thinking, and carefully ignore any term of faith/belief/religion.

Evolution literalists either do not want to know the facts, do not want to understand the facts or they want to ignore the facts.

A wise man changes his mind, a fool never.

The Welders Wife #fundie cseblogs.com

The birds define where the face of the 2-heavens starts because some birds can’t fly.
Apparently at that time there were some birds that could fly on the edge of what God defines as outer space. I’m not sure if there are still birds that do this during migratory flights or not. Does anybody know?

Mattwerk #fundie cseblogs.com

Just a question I have about the KJV though. Apparently the Greek “Mia Sabbaton” was always translated as Sabbath, except for in 2 cases in the New Testament (I forget the verse numbers) where they were “deliberately” translated as “first day of the week” - apparently to get the ball rolling for Sunday worship. Anyone care to shed light on this issue? It would be scary if even the KJV had an error, worse if deliberate!

Ekkman #fundie cseblogs.com

The more that I study the word of God and science the more “uncomfortable” that I become with heliocentric and much more comfortable with a geocentric system of things. I am seeing more and more that the bible teaches geocentric not heliocentric system. Check this guy’s page out. I have been reading a lot on it and talking to the guy who does it. His name is Gerard Bouw, Ph.D. He makes it fairly plain that you can’t prove whether the galaxy, solar system is either by science. He is a scientist, one of those Ph. D. kinds and there are others, it looks like it is growing.
His page is http://www.geocentricity.com/

Campus Preacher #fundie cseblogs.com

[Carl Sagan died after three bone marrow transplants failed to restore his body’s ability to make blood sufficient to sustain life on earth].

Campus Preacher noted: God even had mercy on poor old Carl Pagan. He gave him bone cancer and time to think about it. It obviously didn’t work. Therefore we must conclude, that geniuses like Carl Pagan and others can (Richard Dawkins probably will) and do and did go to Hell.

Is Evolution v. Creation an issue in Hell?

On that subject. It looks like to me God also had mercy on Steven Hawking. God allowed/gave him ALS when he was 21 to get his attention. It didn’t work. Looks like Hawking will go to to Hell too.

Ekkman #fundie cseblogs.com

[. Why would the Holy Spirit mis-guide the translators to employ the use of mythical creatures like “unicorn” for wild ox, “satyr” for “wild goat”, “cockatrice” for common viper, when today we know what the real name of these creatures is?]

You do not know the real names; remember that the dictionaries were corrupted in the 1700s. These creatures mentioned in Scripture are real animals. For instance, the changing of dragon to hyena is based on the constellation of Draco. The entire western world sees a dragon there, but an obscure tribe of nomadic Bedouins sees a ring of camels surrounding a baby camel to protect it from hyenas. On that flimsy thread, modern dictionaries change dragon to hyena.

Ekkman #fundie cseblogs.com

[If God gave us the KJV as an inspired translation, why would God not repeat the process again in modern language in each language?]

The question assumes that the A.V. was written in common or Elizabethan English. It was not. The English of the A.V. was specifically designed to receive the words of God in a language that could be understood by English readers. It is a pure language, untainted by secular meanings.

P.A. #fundie cseblogs.com

I have a friend who witnessed a dinosaur fossil find (in a road widening cut) over a decade ago where an Indian arrowhead had directly damaged the bone. At that time he wondered why they were excavating so quickly. They claimed that it had to be a fraud. The local university, being evolutionists, hushed it up. This goes on all the time.

Three Crosses #fundie cseblogs.com

1.”The estuarine crocodile is 23-feet long, as reported in the Guinness Book of World Records.”
That’s a pretty big dinosaur! Or at least what the preachers of evolution, claim is the nearest relative of the dinosaur(along with finches of course!).

2. The Komodo Dragon “The largest verified wild specimen was 3.13 meters (10 ft 3 in) long and weighed 166 kilograms (365 lb)”.
That could easily be considered a “terrible lizard”(you know a “dino-saur”). Not only is it big enough to kill you with its mouth or tail, it’s even venomous!

3. Longest Anacondas on record are argued between 32ft. 9.5in. and 42.5ft. That is large enough to eat you, a friend and your pets. Hmmm. A giant reptile!

The only reason these aren’t considered dinosaurs is because they contradict the current state/world religion.

pabramson #fundie cseblogs.com

A few days ago in a thrift store I was looking at a “50th Anniversary Issue” of “Reader’s Digest” Magazine, from 1972. 50 years before the founder of the publication said that he had dedicated himself to the betterment of mankind. -Ah, that is the error. It is important. But it focuses on what would be the second of Christ’s commandments, without primarily exalting the first! So he fell (IMHO) into error. He may have had the best of intentions, but his priorities were not correctly balanced.

The Welders Wife #fundie cseblogs.com

I also celebrate The Feast of Dedication, because it provides an opportunity to talk about Messiah, and I also celebrate Christmas for the same reason. They are both open doors from the Lord to present the Gospel! The Lord gave me a ‘personal’ understanding of how this works: If it wasn’t for the Christmas celebrations, I wouldn’t have heard about Jesus being born when I was a very small child, because my parents were heathen evolutionists.

Ekkman #fundie cseblogs.com

I see most are wishing everyone for Christmas. I was wondering if people know the true meaning of this festival? The pagan ritual of Saturnalia, which the Catholics “made” Christian, which the Protestants failed to “protest” against, of which the story, the peripherals (trees, yuletide log, presents, mistletoe, Santa, etc), are all terribly pagan, idolatrous and thus evil? My wife and I refuse to celebrate this act of blasphemy - despite the “good intentions” one may claim to have - and are being percecuted as a result!

CampusPreacher #fundie cseblogs.com

Daily on campus, students try to legitimize their addiction to alcohol by saying “well, Jesus turned the water to wine.” Their Jesus is a hippie longhair bartender that is all too willing to feed their illicit lust for mind numbing intoxicants. They conclude, since Jesus turned water to wine, now it’s o.k. for us to go to our fraternity keg party AND GET WASTED!

Yes, many of the early American immigrants drank a lot of hooch. If they were practicing drunkenness, they were not saved and did not go to heaven!

cookster #fundie cseblogs.com

I’ve also heard of another movement in certain Church’s that are trying to say that Jews do not need Jesus to be saved…something I vehemently disagree with. I have notice John Hagee really pushing for Christians and Jews to work together, I’m not quite sure what he is saying in relation to this subject…I just hope the Gospel message is not being pushed out in the name of “co-existing”. Isn’t it disturbing how many times that Christians do the wrong thing in the name of Christ over the last 2000 years?

defendtruth #fundie cseblogs.com

These six waterpots (normally used for washing feet) when full would contain about 150 gallons. [Jesus ordered them filled with water, and turned the water into wine.] This much additional intoxicating wine would certainly be too much for guests who were already drunk, and it is inconceivable that Jesus would provide such. This "good wine" had been miraculously created by the Creator and was brand new, with no time to ferment and become old, intoxicating wine.

Kent Hovind #fundie cseblogs.com

Knee-Mail between Kent and God 4

From: Kent Hovind
Sent: August 30, 2007
To: God & Young Boy
Subject: Re: God’s Awesome Power

GOD: Hey, Son, good morning! I love you!

kh: Good morning, Lord. I love you, too. I’m sure ready to get back out preaching for you, Lord. Can I go home now?

God: Do you think I need you out preaching for Me?

kh: No, Lord. I know You don’t need me, but I need to be used. Even the dogs get the crumbs, you know (Mark 7:28).

GOD: I know, Son. Good answer. I’ll send you back out soon. I want you to knee-mail a very excited seven-year-old for Me.

P.A. #fundie cseblogs.com

[when it was pointed out that even Answers in Genesis disputes Setterfield's speed of light conclusions]

I see a pattern in your (plural, i.e. from the skeptics as a whole) posts:

Deny, object, pull down, disagree. Look for some less well researched creationist organization that disagrees with Dr. Hovind. Find some reason to besmirch or to poke fun. Interrupt, look for errors.

It is one thing to disagree honestly.

It is quite another to aim to detract and distract.

P.A. #fundie cseblogs.com

Recall that there is good evidence that the speed of light itself is SLOWING. Yet another area of research where creationists are ahead!! (Barry Setterfield is one of the primary researchers in this area; he is a creationist.)

Fellow believers, in several areas of study we have been many years ahead of evolutionists on multiple occasions! They are mentally hobbled by their backwards theory.

The speed of light is not a constant! That is nonsense. It used to be believed; but the weight of good scientific research shows otherwise. The evolutionists and their hiding-from-God beliefs are holding us back - AGAIN!

P.A. #fundie cseblogs.com

2 months ago we made a radical shift in this blog. Up until that time pretty much anyone could respectfully address the creation-evolution issue, Bible controversies, etc. But we finally decided that an orientation of “Since the Bible is true…” is more positive.

One can answer skeptics over and over and over, and still they will look for mental hiding places from God. Just as a thief just can’t seem to find a police officer no matter how hard he tries, the unrepentant sinner just can’t seem to find God no matter how hard he tries.

Istvan #fundie cseblogs.com

To do research, creationists need funds. But all the funds go to those who believe in Evolutionism, the carefully protected, useless and and literally baseless religion. Yes, baseless, because you remember how it all “started”? Nothing exploded. And nothing “really means nothing”. No time, no space, no matter, no natural laws. Yeah, right. When SOMETHING explodes that SOMETHING is destroyed, and its environment also gets damaged. But that is nothing compared to what happens, when ABSOLUTE NOTHING explodes! When NOTHING (NO TIME, NO SPACE, NO MATTER, NO NATURAL LAWS) explodes, an incredibly complex universe forms itself. Of course. Easy as pie. The greatest mystery of all time, the origin of the universe is now solved, and all is well with the world. And where is the evidence? Anyone got a sample of ABSOLUTE NOTHING? Can I put it under a microscope? Because I sure am interested in what is in NOTHING!

Istvan #fundie cseblogs.com

There is no proof for the nothing exploded into something for no reason, and here we are now “masters of the universe”. You guys used to think the universe has always existed. No beginning, no end. The Bible has always said that there was a beginning. “In the beginning God…”. Then redshift came along and you changed your mind. So now you think the universe had a beginning. Big Bang. But you are still not better off, because stellar evolution just does not work. Chemical evolution does not work either. Shall I continue? Why should I? If you have no universe and no chemical building blocks to work with, you are not going to get anywhere. You have nothing.

pabramson #fundie cseblogs.com

Ride a city bus sometime. You will see folks under five feet tall and over eight feet tall. Which one is the average? Whose remains represent all the others? If they all died and some evolutionist came along eons later and selectively chose one skeleton to make a believed progression, which one would he choose? Remember that he can ignore 99% of them. And the left-wing media, in league with the deception, will go along with it to help deceive the masses.

Some people suffer from malnutrition today. How many of them will end up in a museum display of the future as “proof of evolution” when actually their less developed or deformed bones indicate nutritional deficiencies showing real, testable-repeatable biological processes instead?

In science vs. evolution - I choose science.

pabramson #fundie cseblogs.com

[on unicorns]

Many creatures have gone extinct down through time. I am pretty sure that there are still zero fossilized buffaloes (just regular buffaloes, like those that roamed the American West by the millions in the early 19th Century). Yet they existed, and a few yet survive - even though we find (if I recall correctly) not a single one at all in the fossil record.

So we may not have a representative fossil for the unicorn specifically. Maybe they were hunted to extinction or their preferred food sources were destroyed by man or environmental changes. Maybe there were once millions of them, but not a single fossil at all remains. Realistic enough for you? ;-) Look at our real history of thousands of recorded years, human propensities, how rapidly the world’s climates have changed, and then ponder the once present unicorn. The puzzle pieces are there and ready to be assembled by the wise.

Ekkman #fundie cseblogs.com

Jesus said to the lukewarm believers that he is going to spue them out of his mouth. Some tell me that doesn’t mean hell. I play their game and tell them, “I don’t care if you think it is hell or not, I don’t want to be spued on the other side of heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ. I want to hear him say, “Well done”.

P.A. #fundie cseblogs.com

During the Great Flood, many creatures appear to have been buried and then reburied weeks or months later. This is one evidence supporting the “continent-crossing tidal waves” contentions regarding the Flood.

Perhaps not all land, all the time, was under water. Perhaps it was a series of tidal waves; worsening and lessening. Noah waited for months after landing in the mountains of Ararat before opening the door and exiting. He successively released birds. Isn’t that interesting? Perhaps (by theory) it was because he did not know if another severe tidal wave would lift and carry them again to land (again) later.

pabramson #fundie cseblogs.com


Fellow Skeptics, we remain intellectually superior to those lowly creationists. We are so superior that we have only studied evolution. Let us collectively pat ourselves on the back for having reached this evolved pinnacle of wisdom and understanding. Without investigating the claims of those lowly creationists we can proudly proclaim their error. There is one thing that remains though, where on Earth are they HIDING those creationist scientific evidences! That is the only minor thing that we have not yet been able to figure out! But all else is clearly known to us. Keep marching forward towards that spiritual cliff ahead. Feel proud. And when you are in front, take a deep breath, and gaze at the beautiful view. And keep marching even as you fall off and tumble through the air. So invigorating. Now let us recite the Skeptics Creed:

“I am a skeptic. All that is answers to my understanding or else it does not exist. I am too strong to admit weakness, particularly spiritually. I deny the role of The Scientific Mathematician who created and sustains the universe. Instead I contend that the trillions of known stars and the magnificience of abundant interlocking scientific laws of motion, preservation, heat, sophisticated chemical and biological interactions ALL exploded from nothingness into chance existence for no reason. There is thus no purpose to life.

The Welders Wife #fundie cseblogs.com

[I thought all the answers were in the Bible.]

When [Henry Morris] started writing, there was very little information out there. He’s the one who got the ball rolling. Secondly, it’s human nature not to research a thing out, if you are in total agreement with the speaker. You are more likely to search things out when you disagree with somebody. God didn’t give Dr Henry Morris all the answers for this very reason! It’s one of those things that motivates the research in the Creation Science movement to keep going.

Kent Hovind #fundie cseblogs.com

[Hovind's latest imaginary conversation with God]

kh: God, are you squeezing me to get something out of me, get something into me, or get me in a more usable shape?

GOD: All three and more, son. If I told you everything I was doing, your little brain would not be able to handle it all.

I’ve gotten some prayers and writings from you that you didn’t have time for in the free world. I’ve had you read things, watch things, hear things, and experience things that have changed you forever. I can squeeze things into you and out of you at the same time.

I’m getting some oil, fragrance, and juice out of you that is helping nourish, refresh, and bless some of your brothers and sisters in Christ. I’m also using you to convict and convert others who were not My children until they saw you get squeezed like this.

2ndamenduseur #fundie cseblogs.com

Dear Welder’s Wife,

I couldn’t help but notice in your long exegesis about Noah’s sons that you referred to certain people getting their information as to what to write, as they wrote portions of scripture, from other people or circumstances, or things they saw. It seems that in your zeal to explain what you think the Bible means you have drifted into reliance on human reasoning instead of reliance on the Word of God. For example, Luke did not write the book of Acts based on things he saw or heard because of time spent with Paul. He wrote what God told Him to write. I admonish you to submit your thinking to the authority of God as given here:

“The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” Psalms 68:11

P.A. #fundie cseblogs.com

I think it was April 2005 (or March?) when “Science” magazine finally admitted (for their mostly evolutionist readers) that unfossilized dinosaur tissue has indeed been found. They stuck with the “millions of years” charade though. The filters over their eyes are holding them back.

There have been completely frozen ancient fruit trees uncovered in the Arctic with ripe fruit hanging from the branches. The ancient remains of the pre-Flood world, unfossilized & unpetrified remnants, exists in many places around the world.

The Welders Wife #fundie cseblogs.com

Noah must have lived on a huge farm & probably grew a lot of the food supply that went on the Ark. He also must have owned forest land where he got his wood supply from. There was probably also a vast untamed stretch of land nearby that contained both exotic foods & animals. There must have been a river & wet lands close at hand too. The ark may have only been built by godly family members & not with the help of outsiders, for the same reason that many of us put our kids in Christian school or home-school them: We don’t want our precious kids corrupted by what is evil, & Noah & his wife probably didn’t want their loved ones corrupted either. Noah would have lived away from the Nephilim, which is what Josephus says he did.

pabramson #fundie cseblogs.com

== Mummified Pre-Flood Dragon Found! ==


“Rare Mummified Dinosaur Unearthed: Contains Skin, and Maybe Organs, Muscle”

A few others have been found in the past. But evolution-believing scientists have been slow to admit their existence. Their religious belief in the “millions of years …” stuff inhibits good research and the honest reporting of all finds.

Paul Abramson #fundie cseblogs.com

We are seeing Western society being subverted from within by a “science, falsely so-called” of evolution and its attendant beliefs. We see a correlation to what happened in formerly civilized Germany, when they fell for evolution. It is terrifying to consider the idea of America falling to a evolution-based society. What, (Father, please no!) would the rest of the world do if Amerika fell to evolutionary beliefs, like Russia, China, Cambodia, Germany, and other states have done. Evolution-believing leaders, without the restraint of believing in God’s future judgment have shown mass murder on scales unimaginable prior to the modern age. Not here too, I pray.

Kent Hovind #fundie cseblogs.com

[Another one of Hovind's imaginary conversations. This one is between himself and Hitler.]
KH: How is it decided which race is superior and what is it based on?
Hitler: It’s all based on the science of evolution! Since the strongest survive and the weakest die off, we have decided to speed up the process by eliminating the inferior races of Jews and blacks. War itself will demonstrate which is the most fit race.
KH: But the Bible says that all men are of one blood (Acts 17:26).
Hitler: Oh, that Bible is outdated. Our scientists have proven man arose from apes by evolution. Only the strongest survive, and we will show the world that we are the strongest!

P.A. #fundie cseblogs.com

This life on Earth is but temporary. It is preparation for REAL life. Some folks are not passing the tests. They cheat and steal. They push down others. They look to fight for its own sake. They deceive.

Logically, the most important thing in life is your personal relationship with our Creator!

He has given us a book, The Holy Bible. In it are many instructions and historically accurate stories.

Your SOUL (your essence … your karma … your inner being) will go back to God after this life.

Don’t make it your life’s pursuit to hide from God behind evolution (without even bothering to watch even one Kent Hovind video)

EndTimes #fundie cseblogs.com

God has promised to preserve His Holy Word unto all generations which would include ours. God is not the author of confusion, thus the entire textual criticism arguments are against that simple truth. Most dangerous is the current emphasis on studying the “original” languages from current lexicons which have unfortunately been corrupted. What a shame to spend so much time trying to find the “truth” of the Bible in an earthly corrupt lexicon, when God has already provided a pure text in English for all to read, study and memorize already.

pabramson #fundie cseblogs.com

[What to do if you're trapped in an evolution class]

There are some creationists who advise students to counter with “were you there?” but this is a bad idea. For one thing AiG (per above) does not practice this strategy with persons they are interested in attaining. They kept Jason Lisle’s beliefs a secret, publishing articles by him under a pseudonym until after he completed his degree.

Also, the fourth grade teacher knows the fifth and sixth grade teachers. If a young student (rebelliously?) challenges his or her teacher with “Were you there?” it could easily be answered: “No, and neither were you. So quiet down and listen to what the experts teach us.” Is it a good thing for Christian students to get bad science grades when they may actually be good at science? If the fourth, fifth, and sixth grade teachers decide to reward the “fittest” and to punish the “less fit” to survive, then a student who asks, “Were you there?” may never want to learn about real science in the future.

P.A. #fundie cseblogs.com

For thousands of years EVERYONE still remembered the Great Flood. Even up until the 19th and 20th Century peoples around the world - still remembered that their ancestors from long ago came from the few survivors of the Flood.

Let’s skip forward to modern times.

What does the anti-Christ need to have in place before he can assume power?

I believe that one thing he needs in place is an ANTI-history. A believed history - that he comes as the answer for perceived history and needs.

Evolution provides the foundation for this anti-history. It replaces our true human history with a believed fake history that has nothing to do with what really happened - but it is believed. “Myth-ions and myth-ions of years ago…” the story of deception goes.

mollypitcher #fundie cseblogs.com

I was in wikipedia today and scanned the history of the trying of Brother Hovind. I found it interesting that alledgedly a Christian sister by the name of Horton at a Christian university was the one to turn him in on supposed tax evasion for the his ministry operations. It made me think we should definitely be looking up (as well as over our shoulder) being that the 3rd and 4th to the final sign given in Matthew is that “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.” Matthew 24:9-10 ALSO: Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against [their] parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:12-13 (also next to the last sign before the end).

Editor #fundie cseblogs.com

I wish I had a nickel for every ungrounded believer who has fallen for the spiritual deception of evolution.

Calling it science does not change what it is. And it comes from The Pit, not from scientific research. Evolutionary beliefs are completely incongruent with Biblical and scientific beliefs.

The Bible is out of sync with modern science? “4.5 billion”? Where on Earth did you hear such nonsense. Not from Scripture, which teaches 6 days, 6000 years ago. And not from science which shows that the “red shift” is quantized. Honestly. Quit following the broad path.