I would say it is Obama that was irresponsible and selfish by inserting CIA agents into the vaccination program in order to enhance his image by killing Bin Laden. It is a war crime to do this with the Red Cross. I also consider this be a war crime.
Bin Laden was no threat to the US by the time he was killed. He had been effectively neutered. Killing him was just an act of revenge and grandstanding.
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However, if Bush had done his job and kept the mission of finding bin Laden, then he would have been a hero, but because it's Obama that finished what Bush started (then ignored) it was a senseless act.
I'll never understand the hypocrisy of the right.
So, if you shot in self-defense, and harm someone, you mihgt get 25 years in prison, but if you organize a terrorist attack which kills 3000 Americans and destroys a lot of buildings, you're free to go?
Some context is needed for the vaccination program.
While the operation was necessity, it isn't insane to claim this act was irresponsible and not fully thought through.
Claudius' first paragraph is correct. Using medical or relief efforts as camouflage for military operations is against military law.
Bin Laden, on the other hand, could have been completely toothless and irrelevant and he still needed a few rounds to the face if for no other reason than an object lesson to others who might get the same idea.
OK, I've read this several times and still can't seem to make out what the OP is trying to say. So far I've got:
1. It's a war crime to insert CIA agents into a vaccination program.
Wait, why are we all just assuming that this guy's some frothing right wing nutjob? This was posted on Daily Kos, a left wing website, and there are no indications in it of the guy's political views.
And he's right about using a false medical service for military purposes being a war crime.
9 fucking 11 bitch. Direct connection to Bin Laden, not Iraq, Bin Laden.
Basically Cheney could without cause kick a five year old in the head and laugh about it and these fucks would write a condemning report on that kids behavior. It's probably already pre-written because we all know Cheney would so do such a thing.
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...or simply jelly that a Democrat president succeeded in just three years, where you Repubicans' precious God-Emperor of Fucking Up, Dumbya, failed to do in eight ?
And I'd be very wary - when you're in the bread section - next time you're at the supermarket: CIA batta...!
"Bin Laden was no threat to the US by the time he was killed."
- Yeah, don't you people remember the picture of Bush standing under the sign that read "Mission Accomplished?!?"
Or was that just grandstanding?
I'm guessing that you supported the war in Iraq, though. Where are those WMDs, anyway?
Osama was no threat? How do you know? Had he taken up golfing? Painting by numbers? Was he negotiating a book deal for his memoirs? Even if he was no threat, to whom was Klaus Barbie a threat when he was captured? Does being a retired criminal make you exempt from justice?
@DJjaffacake
You're absolutely right. Looking at some of his other posts, there is nothing whatever to suggest that he's right-wing. He certainly doesn't like Americans much.
@ FloatingGorillaHead
A clue to the idea that to some Obama can do nothing right was in a comment I saw from a left-wing fundie on The Guardian that called the President "Obomber." On the day I read that comment, Obama had been president for six days.
The first paragraph is absolutely right--having fake vaccination programs hurts the actual vaccination/health programs done in those regions (including the final push to eradicate polio, still endemic in Pakistan). Since it's dangerous to global health, it's also a violation of international law.
The second...I'm not so sure about. I think it's more the fact that al-Qaeda as a whole has imploded thanks to the global campaign against them.
Bin Laden was no threat to the US by the time he was killed. He had been effectively neutered.
Meanwhile, in the real world...
Wait, we're at war with Pakistan now?
re. Bin Laden:
In China, they shoot people for managing a factory that made tainted milk. Were it up to me, I'd have "shoved a sausage down his throat and shoved starving dogs up his butt." /Moe Szyslak
That would have made a great defense at the Nuremberg Trials. "Well, geez, they're not hurting anyone now, why not let 'em go?"
Edit:
I was apparently misunderstanding this by assuming that the author was claiming that the CIA actually paralyzed and/or sterilized Osama bin Laden with vaccines prior to that the attack on his compound. As it is, the first paragraph is a legitimate concern. The second might be wrong, but it's still not fundamentalist.
The OP's points are a bit exaggerated but have some merit.
@Sangfroid
Public service announcement reminding people (Doubting Thomas, I'm looking at you) that if you don't understand what the commentor is saying, you should try doing a simple google search before acting like they're crazy.
The information is readily available .
failing that, read through the previous comments, and maybe someone (such as niv) will have given you the information for free.
For the record, I totally agree about the first point: the CIA was wildly irresponsible. The Red Cross sends its aid workers into dangerous and unstable areas, trusting in the fragile protection provided by the fact that they are not aligned with ANY combatant in ANY conflict, and as such there is NEVER a reason to hurt them. You know, except for the fact that apparently they could be American spies. Aid workers giving vaccines have been killed, and others attacked or harassed and accused of spying for the US.
The operation also lent support to all the crazy conspiracy theories about vaccines that health organisations have spent decades trying to fight in the middle east and africa, resulting in a drop in vaccination rates and increasing the already-considerable risk from vaccine preventable diseases in those areas. So I guess...yay polio?
Was Bin Laden infected with chicken pox, so that the specials bordes has to be vaccined, or what?. AMD he was neutered!, whatever ir means
I know you guys hate Obama, that's fine, but can't you give the guy credit for ANYTHING? Come on.
What would you have preferred we do? Go, "Well you avoided us this long Osama, you win, good game." Don't you think he would have gone right back to being a charismatic terrorist leader if we had taken the pressure off?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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