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Trump National Doral Miami Resort #wingnut dailykos.com

Donald Trump, who regularly incites violence against the media—the “enemy of the people”—and his political foes, must be so proud:

A video depicting a macabre scene of a fake President Trump shooting, stabbing and brutally assaulting members of the news media and his political opponents was shown at a conference for his supporters at his Miami resort last week, according to footage obtained by The New York Times.

A couple of notable figures attending this fun-filled conference? Donald Trump Jr. and Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Both denied having seen the video, with Huckabee Sanders claiming that she was just there to lead a prayer and talk about “unity and bringing the country together.” Uh huh.

In the video, Trump is shown shooting down media critics in the “Church of Fake News,” not to mention assaulting the late Sen. John McCain, President Barack Obama, Maxine Waters, Bernie Sanders, and, of course, Hillary Clinton.

The clip ends with Mr. Trump putting a stake into the head of a person with a CNN logo for a face. Mr. Trump then stands on the altar, admiring his rampage, and smiles.

The Trump campaign and the organizers of the event both claim they had nothing to do with the video production of Donald Trump’s favorite wet dream.

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Lt. Col. Jonathan C. Dowty #ableism #fundie dailykos.com

Excerpt from an article on DailyKos about this guy

The “Christian Fighter Pilot” is Air Force Lt. Col. Dowty, a former fighter pilot turned paper pusher after being rejected for a position as an instructor at the Air Force Academy. The organization that I work for, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has been aware of Lt. Col. Dowty and his blog for many years, mainly because MRFF and its president Mikey Weinstein are the favorite subject of Dowty’s so-called “ministry.” As of 2012, when I wrote the piece mentioned in the first paragraph, Dowty had written an astounding 432 posts tagged with either MRFF or Weinstein’s name. That was the number as of seven years ago, and Dowty has continued his diatribes against MRFF ever since, sometimes with multiple posts in the same week, bringing his tally of posts about MRFF to well over 1,000.

Dowty has a long track record of virulent homophobic, misogynistic, and Islamophobic posts, and also attacks Christians who aren’t the “right kind” of Christians in his mind. He also has no qualms about disrespecting superior officers, such as publicly accusing the first lesbian commandant of the Air Force Academy of being a liar, and cyber-stalking MRFF’s junior enlisted clients.

MRFF has attempted to get the Air Force to take some sort of action regarding Dowty and his very un-officer-like writings, even filing an Inspector General complaint, but to no avail. He continues to publish his vile screeds with impunity. In the thirteen years since he started his “ministry” blog, he has only had to remove one post — a post equating homosexuality to bestiality.

But, of all the reprehensible trash that has spewed forth from this fine “Christian” officer’s keyboard, his post yesterday, going after the pilot with ALS, is without doubt the most revolting. In this post, titled “How an Air Force Fighter Pilot Faces His Approaching Death. How Would You?,” after quoting from an Air Force article about the pilot, whose attitude would to most people be inspirational, Dowty wrote:

“Naturally, when we talk about someone’s death — especially that of a terminal illness — we speak of mortality, legacy, and perspective. Christians also speak of their faith. As appears evident from the interviews above, Christ is not a part of Holloway’s life. The only direct non-theistic detail publicly available was the fact their post-courthouse wedding ceremony was explicitly ‘non-religious.’ Otherwise, if you can communicate your deepest thoughts on your coming death and not once mention even spirituality, it’s probably a safe bet you’re not concerned with religion.

“Regrettably, that deepens the tragedy. To know that your soul will soon be required of you and to yet not be concerned of things eternal is distressing on an eternal level. Yet, there is still time.”

Just as egregiously insensitive was Dowty’s comment about the pilot’s callsign being “Twitch.” Dowty actually wrote of that:

“Left unsaid is whether the symptoms of the undiagnosed disease were the source of his callsign, ‘Twitch.’”
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Ezekiel in Exile #moonbat #conspiracy dailykos.com

All those who worship at the altar of Big Science, please tell me: how do you deal with Big Science’s huge, embarrassing inability to duplicate “scientific” study results?

The world is full of known unknowns and unknown unknowns. Humans’ understanding of the universe and even how human beings construct reality within their minds is very, very limited. Meanwhile, buoyed by Enlightenment-bred hubris, we’ve managed to destroy hundreds of indigenous cultures and the wisdom they had amassed through the millennia. I’m skeptical of New Age types because so many New Age leaders are hustlers just like their counterparts in more traditional religions. But I’m also skeptical towards those who worship science as a solution to all our problems when science itself is beset with hired hands who “demonstrate” the truth of whatever their employers hire them to do.

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Wilsonword #moonbat #pratt dailykos.com

An estimated 94 to 100 million souls lost their lives, killed by Communist regimes. The U.S.S.R. gets much focus but Communist genocides in Asia wiped out millions also. Economic and political systems are intertwined so deeply. It is too simplistic to say Communism did not really fail because it was never truly implemented as it was originally meant to be.

The two points you make are not logically connected.

a. milions died in those so called communism regimes.

b. its too simplistic to say communism did not really fail because it was never truly implemented.

You dont make any kind of connection between those two. How does A mean B is true? We could far more convincingly say the opposite: that A happened BECAUSE of B. Millions died because it was not real communism, since real communism does not have the violent coercion and murder of millions of people on the whim of one absolute ruler as an central aim or method.

ANY system that has ‘the violent coercion and murder of millions of people on the whim of one absolute ruler’ is not communism. It loses its right to call itself communism right away on just that one aspect. Since a key and unalterable aim of communism is “…the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all" - Communist Manifesto, Section 2 (Marx and Engels)

Yes, quite the opposite of what we are normally told, the basic aim of communism is: FREEDOM. So, Stalin and Mao etc were state dictators, not communists. Because they deliberately suppressed the freedom of their own people, directly against basic communist principles. It seems pretty clear…

(though, actually, we cant leave it just at that - there are various things that need be taken into account when we consider what actually happened in Russia and China then).

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G2geek #psycho dailykos.com

i'd take that one a little further.
Commit any violent crime, you get sterilized. If the crime is rape, you get the "weapon" confiscated or at least removed.

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defluxion10 #wingnut dailykos.com

I've said The US Military has joined the Traitors and and here is all the proof needed, Period. When the modern US Military Officers face The Gallows Noose's an they will they will all say "but I was just obeying orders".

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I've yet to see the Military Officers prove my comment wrong so far they do what Trump tells them to just like every other Dictator's military does, fact the joint chiefs walk in to McConnell's office shut the door and say "McConnell you have Trump out of office by this time next week, understood, good bye"and walk out shutting the door, McConnell goes to Nancy and says we have the votes to Impeach Trump lets say 72 hours from now it's done how's that sound, an don't ask why I'm doing this lets just say I saw handwriting on the wall and leave it at that, bye" so see no violence no military coup no drama as long as the ones behind close doors keep their mouths shut and it's all legal impeachment and President Pence does a happy dance tell he falls to The Law.

["Ummmm, what you are describing IS a coup. "]

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jlynne #sexist #psycho dailykos.com

[Bolding added.]

It's settled federal law and has been for decades and denying abortion rights and safe access to anyone who chooses that is AGAINST THE FEDERAL LAW OF THE UNITED STATES. I say men should just shut up about this, since it doesn't involve their bodies, or let's make it a federal law that all males MUST take some form of male birth control to prevent unwanted or dangerous pregnancies. Period.

We could let them contribute to a sperm bank before they undergo their mandatory sterilization so that, if they mature into responsible adults, they can still Father a child by choice and with consent. :)
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G2geek #racist dailykos.com

While we're at it, you can duck these questions too:

Why don't all the fabulously wealthy princes and emirs and the like, fund real economic development for Palestinians, but instead fund things like tunnels for taking hostages?

Since when do progressives make excuses for fabulously wealthy princes and emirs and the like?

As for easier targets, the presence of fellow Palestinians on buses never discouraged a suicide bomber from pulling the ripcord.

Though, I suppose "Jewish-only buses" would make easier targets for the kinds of rockets that Hamas et. al. were raining down on Jews over the summer. But first they'd have to learn to aim the damn things, which they seem surprisingly inept at doing.

["Why don't all the fabulously wealthy princes and emirs for the like fund real economic development for the impoverished people of Detroit?
Hint: It's for the exact same reason they don't do it for the Palestinians. IT'S NOT THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY.
The Palestinians live under Israeli rule, and they are therefore Israeli responsibility. Full stop.
Besides, the Palestinians in Gaza live under embargo. They literally have no economy to speak of."
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["A lot of what you're writing here is irrelevant to the subject matter of the diary. What is relevant is the anti-Arab racism that you're espousing, and the excuses you're making for the latest exhibition of racist Israeli policies toward Palestinians. Initially I was debating whether or not to HR your original comment, but now I'm glad that I did."]
anti-Arab racism? compared to the rising tide of.. ... soft anti-Semitism?

There was a time when I could reply to anti-Christian bigotry by saying "substitute the word Jews for Christians in that comment and see how it sounds."

Now that doesn't even register, because anti-Semitism itself has been on the rise. Usually in the "soft" form of support for Palestinian terrorist groups as occurred over the summer when they were shooting thousands of rockets at Jews.

Get this: When the terrorist acts stop, the conversation starts. Between now and then, no rewards for terrorism.

And if you don't like it that 50% of Israelis support "Apartheid," then take a stand against the terrorist groups that use innocent Palestinians as pawns and human shields.

Guaranteed, the numbers in that poll will plummet when Israelis don't have to worry about rocket attacks, bus bombing, hostage-taking, suicide bombers in crowds, etc. etc. on a daily basis.

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G2geek #fundie dailykos.com

The video games have zero measurable effect. Kids in other developed countries play the exact same games. They don’t shoot up schools, or kill their sisters.

The problem is the guns. Period.


In fact there is ample research concluding that video games reduce empathy and increase meanness.

And there is a truly bizarre streak on the left that makes slippery-slope arguments for anything that can remotely be considered “speech,” including games where you get little squirts of dopamine for shooting people, that bears a unique resemblance to the bizarros on the right who make slippery-slope arguments for anything that can remotely be considered “firearms.”

When “freedom" is defined as “the right to be an asshole,” we become a society of assholes.

And “My rights over your dead body” is the ultimate in selfish cowardice.

To quote a former Google employee who has since gone dissident, “there are a thousand of us on the other side of your screen, whose job is to break down your self-regulation [ability to rationally control your own behavior].”

Anyone who wants to rationalize that, has no right to complain about The Regime.

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G2geek #racist dailykos.com

I’m with you for the same reason: demographics.

The entire basis of Israel’s existence is as a Jewish homeland, the last safe place on Earth for Jews. To my mind that comes first. Thus a two-state solution is the only way forward.

But then there’s also this:

Gulf Arab states cover an enormous amount of territory. Some of them could readily carve out a New Palestine and easily fund all of the construction needed to raise its cities and towns up from the desert.

Rather than fight over a tiny piece of land in an already tiny country, why not build something new and set an example?

It’s not as if the world isn’t already facing mass migrations due to other aspects of the planetary population/resource/ecology crises. A mass migration to a New Palestine could also set the example for handling the other anticipated mass migrations of the next two centuries.

Do i understand your proposal correctly? 1: one or more Gulf Arab states should 'carve out' some land in the desert. 2: they should build "cities and towns." 3: the millions of people from the land their families have lived for generations will move there? Is that about right?
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MiNest #fundie dailykos.com

The humanitarian situation in Gaza is such that no one there is a terrorist anymore, they are freedom fighters. When a country behaves like Israel has consistently behaved, it is propaganda to call them terrorists.

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G2geek #fundie dailykos.com

so, here's the thing G2
Forced sterilization, right? I'm down with that. But who among us, gets to make those decisions? Who says who can procreate? I don't want that burden. Do you?

Should it be in the hands of the people? If everyone had equal opportunity to the body of knowledge that would enable them to make those decisions wisely, that's where I'd want that power to be.


there's no judgement needed.
For example: A deer eats fermented apples, gets drunk, falls into a gulch, breaks its leg and gets eaten by predators. A squirrel walks across the top of an electrical transformer, gets zapped. Neither of them gets to reproduce. As a result you don't see so many stupid deer or squirrels.

So: A human drives drunk, wraps his car around a tree, but we're nice so we don't let him die. A human doesn't turn off a power circuit when wiring up an outlet, gets zapped, but we're nice so we don't let him die.

The standard is simple and wholly objective: if in the state of nature you would have died from whatever-it-is, we'll be nice and keep you alive, but you'll be sterilized so you don't reproduce.

No judgement calls needed. Any lifesaving medical intervention comes along with an extra snip or two.

And you can be sure this will also make people more mindful and cautious, in other words, make them behave more intelligently.

Otherwise we are breeding for stupidity, the results of which are amply obvious.

The logic of this is inescapable.

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BMScott #fundie dailykos.com

White-splaining… LMFAO.. SMH.. Sigh.. I am not White. I’m Black.

I’m not White-splaining, because I have no perspective on the White experience; nor care to — I’m speaking as a Black person who has seen racism their entire lives. Do you understand what that’s like?

So to see it here is disturbing…

Maybe you read what I wrote but your own reactionary senses thought “this is a White man” so you immediately assumed I was “White-splaining” or “Man-splaining” .. which just means, you’re not really trying to engage with me in a conversation — but instead tell me why I should shut the fuck up because I’m somehow privileged.

You’re sitting here telling me I have no idea what racism is when I’ve been beaten within an inch of my life by the Cleveland Police Department; when I’ve bad a bottle broke across my face for being a so-called “nigger” at the age of 8 by a bunch of teenage White boys; when I was told I didn’t belong in my neighborhood because I looked like a dope dealer…

Think about your own prejudice to assume SO much about me simply because I said Dear Leader is making racist comments?

Just stop.. and think about what you just said… just slow down for a minute.. damn.


Your response is something of a non sequitur: being a black person who has seen racism his entire life is no more incompatible with white-’splaining than being a woman is incompatible with man-’splaining. White-’splaining is defined by its content, not by the color of the speaker or writer. (Note that I am not commenting either way on the merits of Raucous Indignation’s charge.)
Wow. this is a first on this blog. A black man being accused of whitesplainin. And someone actually defending it as a non sequitur. #arglebargle
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G2geek #fundie dailykos.com

I’m with you on that. The kinds of dumb crooks we’ve been discussing here are clearly not safe to be around kids, and not capable of being safe parents.

The rights of children to be free of abuse, neglect, and endangerment, supersede the rights of convicted criminals to be parents. And there is no inherent right to reproduce, other than a hypothetical “general liberty” right that can be revoked along with other “general liberty” rights that are forfeit by definition when someone is sentenced to prison.

QED, sterilize ‘em. Put it in the criminal statutes that one of the penalties upon conviction is to be removed from any possibility of becoming a parent by any route, and that sterilization will ensue immediately upon exhaustion of appeals if any. That also means no conjugal visits while appeals are pending. Tough shit: if you do the crime, you do the time, and that also means no making babies.

The fact that mandatory sterilizations were abused like mad hell in certain states for obviously racist reasons isn’t sufficient reason to not do it now. Prison itself has also been viciously abused for racist reasons (see also the incarceration rates today) but that’s no reason to do away with prisons.

The same safeguards need to be in place for the entire criminal justice system, to prevent racism and wacko theories such as eugenics getting any traction in the law. With those safeguards in place, the principle of protecting existing and potential children from having dumb crooks as parents can be enacted safely.

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brensgrrl #fundie dailykos.com

I can understand how they can be happy. Most people would be very happy to live a life in which you would be able to do WHATEVER you feel is right, regardless of what that was (as long as you weren’t arrested for it). Not believing in God frees people from the guilt and pangs of conscience that accompanies the belief that some Higher Power may hold you responsible for the choices you make. If you can convince yourself that there is no Higher Power, then you will believe that no one will judge the choices you make. In this way, atheism is sort of a faith, a deep hope and belief that there is no God.

If you don’t believe in God, then you live only in the here and now and have little concern about others and their circumstances beyond the amount of concern that the human laws and regulations insist you must have (for example, an atheist would avoid t murder, NOT because some “God” said that murder is wrong; rather, they would not kill someone because of the knowledge that they would be arrested and put in prison, losing their freedom.) They don’t worry about consequences or obligations beyond what society would require of them. They believe that if they are “good people” in the eyes of society, keeping human laws, then that is good enough. Atheists are also content in their belief that humans can solve every single problem on Earth and that whatever problems humans cannot solve are not worth worrying about. They don’t worry much about death and disease or intractable poverty or hunger because either they believe that humans will eventually solve those problems, or they believe that those problems are the evolutionary “lot in life” of people who are not the “fittest” and that the laws of evolution will take care of the matter soon enough. No point in caring or worrying about it at all.

Finally, they think of themselves as individual little “Gods” or “Goddesses” in that they believe that they, as imperfect human individuals, are the sole source of moral authority in their lives, that whatever their personal situational ethics dictates is what they do, and they alone have complete control over their own fortunes. Each one lives as they want to live with no outside sources of ethical rules (other than the laws of imperfect human governments). If it is not legally mandated, you don’t have to do it. If it “feels good” to you personally, then do it. They feel no obligation toward any universal source of authority and believe themselves to have attained ultimate freedom.

I can understand how some folks could think this is happiness.

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jazzfan76 #sexist dailykos.com

Daddy government doesn't want to pay for your Friday night rave adventures, and don't come down here and complain about childbirth. All single mothers are under government funded programs raising their kids and i have to fork my hard earned money to raise my kids ( working two jobs ) and my wife slaving here way since 24. No more socialism..period. I am not paying for teen pregnancies nor welfare queens nor planned parenthoods. Work hard like the rest of us and make money to raise a kid. If you cant, dont expect me to pay for your fantasies.

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Randy Erb #racist dailykos.com

[DSA = Democratic Socialists of America]

final insults, final injuries... Trump administration wants to deport Vietnam war refugees

You are correct in that they are going through files trying to figure out how to revoke citizenship. And sending back those who were Montagnards or AmeriAsians (Vietnamese and GI hooked up and produced a child) is literally sending them back to starvation and/or death. There is no love loss among the Vietnamese now in control (NVA/VC) with those two groups.

Interestingly, my husband often gets “thank you for fighting for us” from Vietnamese who are living here. They see his Viet Nam campaign pin on his hat and are so appreciative of his service. That means more to him than other Americans who say “thank you for your service”.


Those Vietnamese were the ones who fought for the French against their own people. Then fought for the Japanese against their own people. They then fought for the US against their own people. By the way it was the US who betrayed the Vietnamese in WWII. When Japan surrendered, the Brits came in to take control AWAY from the Vietnamese who were now in charge. So the resistance forces who were fighting on our side in the war, were put in prison by the Brits and restored the French collaborators and traitors to power! You have very poor judgement of who are good people.

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I am a long time leftist by the way and a member of DSA. I simply tell the truth about things. [...] These individuals are getting preferential treatment because they are right wingers.

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BlackSheep1 #fundie dailykos.com

Or “Marching Through Georgia” to Southerners who survived the Civil War. It doesn’t have that connection to most modern Southerners, though.

Marching Through Georgia damn sure has that connotation to me, and whenever I hear “battle hymn of the republic” I am thoroughly revolted.

It’s as though the North didn’t quite believe they had actually won, and needed to go on putting down the South. Well, here we are 123 years later, and what has changed?

Nothing.

There’s nobody north of the Mason-Dixon line with the peace chiefs’ wisdom, or Reverend Hart’s moxie.

And rubbing Southerners’ noses in our “heritage” of slavery and cruelty while ignoring the discriminatory behavior going on TODAY in the former “Union” states and expansions thereof — don’t tell me it isn’t happening, and not just to young black men but to Native American women, black women, and Latinx people as well as Hawaiian and Alaskan natives — does nothing to reduce the residual resentment.

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GrouchySquirrel #fundie dailykos.com

I want to see liberals exerting a will to power. I want to see liberals using power to shape the world in the mold of their ideals. I want to see liberals completely crushing conservatism under their boots. I want to see that — no WE NEED to see that or else, climate change and environmental destruction will burn the planet out from under us all and nothing will matter.

That is what is at stake — the very survival of human civilization.

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Attorney at Arms #fundie dailykos.com

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A Military Coup May Be Our Only Hope

Of course we won’t call it that because we haven’t admitted to ourselves that we are a banana republic, but that’s really the only hope, I think, we have in the event that Trump and Bolton spark off what could be a World War. All of this sounds so hyperbolic? They said irony died after 9/11. Hyperbole died after 11/9.

Many posters here are anti-military. You shouldn’t be. You might be anti-war, but that’s different. The military is one of the most representative bodies of American diversity, a means to middle-class jobs that doesn’t require six figures of student loans, and one that mostly preaches good policies even if it doesn’t always follow them.

Even though I am a strong believer in our military, I don’t think a junta of generals should be running our country. Some kind of legal fiction involving the 25th Amendment seems to be the likely cover.

I hope it doesn’t come to this, but there are no other checks left on Trump. Congress is his patsy. Anyone who doesn’t kiss his ass and call it ice cream is out of the executive branch.

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G2geek #fundie dailykos.com

But I probably would not let my hypothetical kids play with violent video games, even if I had no guns.

Nor would I.

Though, there's another way to go about that:

"For every person you shoot in that game, you have to look at a picture of a real shooting victim and watch to a real video of the victim's family, immediately before going to bed.” (This will predictably cause nightmares where the kid is the victim of violence. Good. Dreams aren’t “real” either, but they do have teaching-value.)

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Tex Arcana #fundie dailykos.com

Russia was never communist; nor was. China. Anyone that insists on calling fascist/totalitarian states "communist" are just attempting Republican-level misdirection and deflection.

1. They called themselves communist and resulted from the attempted implementation of Marxism.

2. No other states that reflected a better implementation of Marxism emerged.

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Tex Arcana #fundie dailykos.com

Communism in eastern Europe produced pollution on a scale unimaginable in the West. Their industry was also woefully inefficient in terms of CO2 output per KW and their usage of energy... but CAPITALISM!!!!1! I guess.

It was not communism: it was totalitarianism/fascism. A government run by a few private interests to the detriment of the people and the land.

They only called it "communism" to confuse their ignorant people and knee-jerk Republicans and their fear of those dirty poor folk.

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moviemeister76 #fundie dailykos.com

At what point does innocent until proven guilty kick in?

When we no longer live in a rape culture.

[Thread 1:]
Nice to see the usual dudebros in here fighting to maintain rape culture. Way to go guys.

You’re either with us or against us, amirite?

Uh, yes. Quite literally. You’re either for ending rape culture. Or you’re not.
I’ve never seen anyone here who is not for ending rape culture.

lol Uh huh.
Uh huh. If you’re serious about that charge, now is where you name names right?

Well, first of all, I pretty much already did. Second, I’d like to thank you and every mediocre man like you for adhering to the same trolling pattern for the last several decades. It’s makes it so easy to spot you all from a mile away.
To be clear, so folks know whether they really should flag your posts for making such a baseless and disgusting accusation... You’re accusing alx9090 and and Roln of being in favor of a rape culture. That right?

Sure go ahead. Flag away. I’m tired of dealing with men who repeatedly blame victims at this site and do everything they can to maintain the status quo of rape culture. Heaven forbid we deal with actual sexism on the left. Much better to just shut us women up, isn’t it?
It must be tough to continue thinking of yourself as a good person when you realize you've been part of the sexual harassment problem all along.

[Thread 2:]

Who needs justice? I’ll get us a rope. Let’s go find us some guilty-looking folks. We can string `em up and feel better about ourselves. Doesn’t matter if they even did anything.

Oh please. You guys really need to get better material. Why don’t you go back to victim blaming Louis CK’s victims and pretending those women consented to what he did.
OR, and here’s an idea, you can deal with the idea that this diary makes guys like you uncomfortable for reasons you’re not willing to admit or even deal with. Much Easier to just attack women and let us know that as long as you’re alive, none of us are ever really safe.
Setting aside the presumption of innocence is the issue for me.
You were asked a serious question and you gave a slogan answer that had nothing to do with it — unless you really do intend to do away with the bedrock principle of modern justice and the presumption of innocence.
It’s always been hard to make a point with you because you so frequently use hate indiscriminately (“dudebros” is the n-word to my ears) against people who by and large support you.

[Thread 3:]
Innocent until proven guilty only applies to a court of law. The same courts and laws which have denied justice to sexual assault and rape victims pretty much since forever.

You have to prove that a crime was committed by the defendant beyond a reasonable doubt.
A high percentage of these cases are one persons word against another, no witnesses, no or equivocal physical evidence, usually alcohol involved.
Taking someone’s life and freedom is extremely serious. With little evidence other than words, what is a court to do?

Please. As if innocent people don’t go to jail and guilty people set free all the time. This idea that we can only know someone’s guilt via a court, that we can only achieve justice via a court is ridiculous.
The authors of the Constitution said “the accused shall be presumed innocent until a judge or jury delivers a guilty verdict.” BTW, the accused — whether is it an elected lawmaker, a movie producer, or the school janitor — should be either acquitted or convicted in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. Any other way is called vigilante justice or kangaroo court.

What a splendid idea! Quote slaveholders who didn’t believe women should have the right to vote. Now you’ve totally convinced me.
Do you know of any other legal way? Would you really like the US turn the justice system totally upside down, and allow the law enforcement community to declare someone guilty, and then shoot the “convicted felon”? I surely don’t want that, and no decent honest prosecutor wants that. If that is really what you want, then I suggest moving to Iran, and make sure you go out of your way to be accused of a crime.

Guilt in a criminal sense can only be determined through the court system, and one that is neutral, not racist/classist/homophobic/etc., and one giving the accused access to competent representation.
You seem to think innocent people are imprisoned and guilty people are set free all the time, so what’s a few more? NO.
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moviemeister76, Cmae #fundie dailykos.com

What’s it doing on Instagram? Did Heather Lind bring it up with his caretakers first?

moviemeister76: So sexual assault victims need permission from their perpetrators before they speak about what happened?
That is not what I said at all. Stop engaging in the Republican strategy of deliberate misstatement. The reason to go public is when a private confrontation is ineffective. We cannot make starting with a public accusations (not just sexual ones) the norm just because easy outlets like Instagram exist. Soon people with a vendetta or simple maliciousness for whatever reason will start making false public accusations. If that has ever happened to you, you would know that a denial is useless. It is very difficult, and most of the time impossible, to prove a negative. People just start gossiping and you, though even if innocent, pay the price. Even if you win (as an acquaintance of mine did, even receiving a 6-figure settlement), you will probably have to move to another community. This is why our system says that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty.

If Heather Lind had gone privately to the caretaker (as it appears that Bush is no longer able to directly speak for himself) and received an apology, would she or should she go public? What would be the motivation to do so? Keeping quiet out of fear or because of hush money is one polar wrong. Blaring an accusation from the housetops is another polar wrong.


moviemeister76: You know what? Don’t you EVER tell me how I should deal with accusing the man who raped me. EVER. Victims have the fucking right to handle it however we fucking see fit. All you are doing is showing that you’re more concerned about being accused of sexual assault than the women who are sexually assaulted.
You know nothing about me. You don’t even know if I am a man or a woman. I was careful to point out that I am not limiting my remarks to sexual assault, but negative public accusations of all kinds. However, I am so glad no one has ever falsely publicly accused you of anything, that you have had the luxury of supposing that all negative accusations of any nature are prima facie true.

Cmae: More passive aggressive mansplaining.
Question: Is it still mansplaining if a woman wrote it? More likely you are attempting ad hominem—trying to discredit the person rather than engage the argument itself.

Cmae: Passive aggressive female misogny works too.
And yet there is no misogyny, male or female, in my comment. All I have said is there should be a “regular order” to making accusations of any kind. Otherwise, people will start making accusations of all sorts, and I have been careful to say, those accusations do not necessarily have to be sexual in nature to do real harm. You are also very close to the next step, presumption of guilt, rather than presumption of innocence. One reason police shoot unarmed black people more often than white people is the problem of presumption of guilt. I am arguing for consistency of approach.

I agree that too often society winks at sexual misconduct. Even on Dkos, many of the ads objectify women and all we hear are excuses about how Kos does not control the ads. Running headlong toward the polar opposite of presumptive guilt would be counterproductive. This is a true slippery slope. Note the comments. A number of people are ready to speculate all sorts of things about Bush.


moviemeister76: Dear God. Why is it whenever someone wants to defend something they wrote that was misogynistic or racist as hell, they always give us a multi-paragraph screed?
So instead of a refutation, you offer a restatement of your original assertion without anything to back it up except “misogynist” is the ad hominem du jour.
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moviemeister76 #fundie dailykos.com

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. I’ll wait and see for the facts to come out.

You are literally repeating all the talking points people use to defend rapists. Misogyny and rape culture personified. How utterly predictable from you, though.
Honestly, fuck off. I am not excusing anyone. Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our country’s legal system.

No. The cornerstone of our country’s legal system was that SOME people were innocent until proven guilty. Our legal system was founded on racism and misogyny, which is why folks like you always fall back on it when you’ve got nothing else to explain away why you defend someone who sexually assaulted a woman.
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G2geek #fundie dailykos.com

Due process is a red herring.

When freedom is defined as the right to be a malevolent asshole, we become a malevolent asshole culture.

Is that what you want?

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AoT #fundie dailykos.com

I think I can help you resolved your mixed feelings about Scottish Independence. A legally-binding referendum was held in 2014 and it was failed. The side that lost wants a do-over, but the people of Scotland pretty obviously don’t. The “movement” now is little more than a mechanism by which some pretty unscrupulous politicians hope to hold onto their seats. Although independence supporters are in the minority, they are unified around one party. The Scots who are opposed to independence — the “Unionists” — split their vote among three parties. So it is a tactic that works, and will be perpetuated, and government in Scotland will suffer as a result, because this hopeless dead-end issue can continue to consume all the political oxygen.

The only reason the referendum failed was because the anti side blatantly lied again and again. Max devo was a massive farce that was never intended to be anything but propaganda. You're spreading propaganda and lies.
OMG. Pull the other one. Alex Salmond said that oil would pay for almost everything, and that all the rest would be covered by the UK volunteering a currency union, something that the whole of the UK was deadset against. The entire independence platform was an astonishing collection of untruths that got more and more ridiculous as the campaign wore on. Scotland would be a smoking ruin today had the voters not perceived just what a gasbag that odious man was.

Funny how you conflate outright lies with less than stellar policy. You don't even deny that it was outright lies, you just lack any respect for the Scots.
Oil would pay for almost everything was an outright lie.

That the UK would volunteer to pay for everything else via a currency union was an outright lie.

I have immense respect for the Scots — they demonstrated their good sense in 2014 by rejecting Salmond’s nationalist bullshit, and then they did it again in the last GE when they booted him and that lying toad Angus Robertson out of their seats.

I prove my respect for the Scots for calling for their decision on the question of independence to be considered to be the final word on this matter for a generation, just like the SNP said it would before the votes were cast.

How about you?


Yeah, supporting the racist liars in London is such respect for the Scots. Just like you "respect" the catalonians by pretending a referendum taken under a fascist government was somehow legitimate. But hey, as long as no one gets their independence what do you care?
I assume “racist liars” in London is some kind of whinge about Brexit. Which has absolutely nothing to do with the Scottish independence referendum.

Scots don’t “get their independence” because they don’t want it. You should accept that decision.


Bwahahahahahahaha. What yeah, what could Brexit have to do with the lie about Scotland being forced to leave the EU if they voted to leave Britain. I don’t understand how those two things could ever be connected! It’s so confusing and difficult!!!!

And you’re still silent on your love of referendums taken under threat of fascism as the only other alternative. But hey, what do you care about reality, you’ve got an ideology to push.

Right for the Wrong Reason Award

The number of 'successful' left-wing and right-wing dictatorships is exactly equal: Zero!

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AoT #fundie dailykos.com

Ends don’t justify means.

So you’re opposed to killing someone in self defense? Or is it just when it’s a left wing government that you believe this?
There is some lesson to be learned in the fact that there has been no successful left-wing dictatorship to date.

That’s just false. There’s been as many successful left wing dictatorships as right wing. Americans just mythologize the right wing dictatorships as being “efficient” and “making the trains run on time.” But the USSR was a successful left wing dictatorship.
Really? Now it’s somehow “self defense” for a government to kill its own citizens (so long as the government is “left wing”)?

The point is that the ends do sometimes justify the means, and unless you oppose violence as self defense then you agree with that.
And it starved to death millions of Ukrainians on purpose because they wouldn’t get along with the Party line. Not to mention the other millions murdered in Stalin’s later purges.

Indeed, just like the US genocided Native Americans. In fact, the US is responsible for more death than the USSR. Since we’re talking about ends and means and all. Because right now it sure seems like that’s just a talking point that liberals push to pretend like communism is the greatest evil ever while ignoring everything that capitalism has done and is doing.
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Bengstra #fundie dailykos.com

No individual is required to sacrifice due process simply for being a man, and that because many men are guilty of sexual assault. There is no collective price to pay.

In a perfect world I’d absolutely agree. I WANT to agree. Yet, I feel “due process” is as impacted by “If sense were common everyone would have it.” as “Affirmative Consent”. “Due Process” simply isn’t consistent from state to state, county to county, town to town, judge to judge, sheriff to sheriff. Would our friend Arpaio have applied the same “due process” as a sheriff in California? To a white man accused of raping a brown skinned woman? To a brown skinned man accused of raping a white woman?

I just don’t believe “due process”, as we want it to exist, exists in this country. Therefore … we can’t make it the defining goal of protection … for anything, by anyone involving gender, race, or class that’s not upper class.

I have no idea what all of that means, but simply disregarding due process makes even less sense.

“Due process” is a myth as long as it is allowed to be interpreted independently within jurisdictions. A brown person rarely, if ever, gets the same “due process” in the south as a white person. Basically, “due process” means whatever the folks in a position of power in any given jurisdiction want it to mean, so saying we should trust it to be the yardstick by which a mans culpability in a sexual assault case is measured is useless.
Due process is not a myth, and casting it aside because it may applied unevenly makes no sense.

And it is not a yardstick to judge culpability, it is the process of getting there.


Due process IS a myth and there is no BETTER reason to cast it aside and come up with a replacement than the fact it IS, not may be, applied unevenly.
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AoT #fundie dailykos.com

[Submitter's note: commenter is an anarcho-communist.]

Russia industrialized in a tenth of the time that it took other nations. Authoritarianism can have good results, it’s the balance at the end of the day between lives and “progress” that’s the issue.

That industrialization also killed people by the millions.
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WMDKitty #fundie dailykos.com

Sorry, while I’m all for the police de-escalating if possible, when you have a knife and are stabbing a police officer, the public belongs on the officer’s side and there is a chance of the police officer killing the criminal — and unless the officer does something wrong, they deserve the public’s support.

Supporting every criminal killed by a police officer over the police is a good way to take the wrong side and discredit the movement against police abuse.
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There’s a difference between opposing police injustice and opposing police, period, cheering wrongful attacks against them.

The right likes to pretend the left can’t tell the difference.

Sadly it seems in some cases they might be correct.


You two are morons. The police are nothing but gangsters with badges, engaging in murder and hiding behind “fear for their lives”.

It’s too bad the piggie got stabbed, but given the long history of police violence AGAINST POC AND LGBT FOLX, the woman (sadly murdered by the pig) was absolutely in the right to defend herself.

Wow. So collective guilt for police. Because there has been police abuse, she was right to stab this officer.

And if the officer was just defending himself, then he murdered her wrongly and is a “piggie”.

You’re simply wrong, and no friend to the cause of justice to anyone.

IF the facts come out the officer did anything wrong, THEN criticize that.


Officer used deadly force when he should have de-escalated. She was acting in self defense.

Fuck the Police.

You don’t know that, and certainly haven’t proven it here. Maybe he should have, and maybe he couldn’t.

You assert she stabbed a police officer in self-defense without any evidence. Prove it.


She obviously feared for her life.

If it’s a good enough excuse for the cops, surely she can use it, too...

No, it’s not obvious. And the phrase is, reasonably feared for her life.

And no, it’s not enough.

If you go take a schoolroom hostage with a gun, you have reason to fear for your life from the police.

That doesn’t suddenly give you justification for killing police.


Right, right, “if she had only cooperated”…

A trans woman of color DOES have reason to fear for her life when confronted by a police officer. So yes, she was REASONABLY AFRAID, and fully justified.

Being a trans woman of color, or a white non-trans person, or any other race or orientation, doesn’t mean they can’t can’t be a criminal.

And no, simply being a trans woman of color does not give her justification to stab a police officer in fear for her life.

That is insane to claim and makes me have more sympathy for police when I hear anyone in the public even things that way.

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brooklynbadboy #fundie dailykos.com

[Posted on August 1, 2017, after the primaries and presidential election. Commenter was banned for this post.]

Oh absolutely. I don't have a candidate yet, but absolutely the bark must be stripped off Sanders and his staff fed into the woodchipper. The candidate who does that will get traction pretty quickly.

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G2geek #fundie dailykos.com

All he had to do was maintain the speed limit and pass me in the left lane. He came close to getting himself wrapped around a concrete light pole.

Lucky break he’s still alive. That kind of stuff is ridiculous. Did you know that car insurance premiums are twice as high for 16-26 year-old males than females? I came to learn this with my 3 sons. The money I’ve / we’ve paid is obscene. Your example is probably one of the reasons.

Yes, for which reason I did not have car insurance until that was not a factor.

Yes, seriously. I will not be subjected to what under any other circumstance would be unlawful discrimination.

Imagine insurers charging black drivers twice as much as white drivers. We should not tolerate any of that sort of thing.

As for “oh but something could have happened!”, yeah something can always “happen” but happenstance is not a stance and I take responsibility for my own actions.

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G2geek #fundie dailykos.com

I used to work making ads at a small cable company. Every time the saleswoman would promise a customer I'd have an ad done in 24 hours where they'd jump ahead of everyone, the computer would have a fried audio or video card. That was the only time the parts would fail and I had no way of knowing ahead of time that she had done it.

Interesting. So apparently you’re also subconsciously remote-viewing what the saleswoman and/or clients were doing.

Very often these things work in combination like that. BTW, lifelong precog here. Don’t let anyone tell you that you’re nuts. Eventually the physics that makes this stuff work, will be figured out. My guess is that it’s QM computation in the brain interacting with an entangled particle flux that’s just part of the ambient background everywhere.

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Sarrior #fundie dailykos.com

[Bolding added.]

[Ex-Guantanamo detainee Omar Khadr to get apology and pay]

Khadr, who was the youngest prisoner ever detained at the naval base in Cuba, became a cause celebre for Guantanamo Bay opponents and his case received international attention.

He was convicted of five crimes, including throwing a grenade that killed Army Sgt Christopher Speer in 2002. He was shot and captured during the fire fight in Afghanistan.


This is great news. Omar Khadr is a progressive freedom fighter and those who attack him are xenophobic bigots.
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gardnerhill #sexist dailykos.com

Which is why I live by Sherlock Holmes’ comment in one film, reversing the gender: “Men are not to be trusted — not the best of them.”

I learned that one early, when a young man pretended to come to my aid when I was being harrassed after school, only to pick up a rock and order me to take my clothes off — then he Didn’t Understaaaand why I didn’t think that was hilarious.

There have been too many stories about women finding out that their nice, sweet, kind, “feminist” husbands or boyfriends have been trolling vicious things to women anonymously in their spare time.

Men are not to be trusted. Not the best of them.

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G2geek #conspiracy dailykos.com

I remember living in Manhattan in the late 1980s and always knowing which ATMs still dispensed $5s. That way you could get as close to all of the money in your account out, when you needed to buy — oh, I dunno — some stuff that came in a little bag?

And that, fellow Kosians, is why the Powers That Be would love to do away with cash.

No more little baggies of happy vegetation, no more secret dissident activities, but instead, everything you do, tracked, reported, analyzed, and predicted.

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roarofdissent #conspiracy dailykos.com

["Idiot Republican Congressman Suggests We Back ISIS"]

I don’t know what makes him more stupid: That he says we should back ISIS, or that he doesn’t we already are backing ISIS by unconditionally giving guns and training to anyone in Syria who was anti-Assad, and by giving money and guns to Saudi Arabia, where many of the powerful aristocrats there turn around and fund ISIS on our behalf.

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Kingsmeg #conspiracy dailykos.com

Erm… the USA is supporting ISIS. That’s pretty much common knowledge all over the Middle East. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a history lesson on how the CIA operates.

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Fei Fallon Tong #fundie dailykos.com

A travel ban is supposed to stop terrorism? These people are willing to blow themselves up for their religion. How are you going to stop that with a stupid travel ban?

Better idea: 1. Give Palestine back to the Palestinians. 2. Carve out a Muslim state in Europe, say in the middle of Germany and give them funding till they’re on their feet. 3. Get our troops out of the Middle East. 4. Enact strict hate crime laws against anti-Muslim speech.

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Fei Fallon Tong #fundie dailykos.com

Terrorism in the UK is a result of England’s white racist policies and racist people. The UK must give more power to Muslims to govern themselves as they see fit, and not according to the wishes of whites. Maybe it’s time for a two-state solution in England. A Muslim majority in England is inevitable anyhow. All the white bigotry in the world can’t stop it. This goes for the rest of Europe and the U.S. as well.

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Fei Fallon Tong #fundie dailykos.com

[Bolding added.]

I worry more about white racists than I do about radical Muslim terrorists. Each act of so-called Islamic “terrorism” is an act of self-defense. White racists still don’t get it.

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brooklynbadboy #fundie dailykos.com

[Bolding added.]

So are you willing to start WWIII over Estonia or not?

I am. Certainly. Estonia is a NATO member. If Russia invades, she must be destroyed. Unconditional surrender or total annihilation.
I imagine you're in an extreme minority.
You imagine being the American president who has to explain a nuclear strike over Estonia.
Something tells me that "well we made a commitment" ain't gonna cut it.

Anyhow who is publicly against it should be locked up of course. If the world is at war then we won't have time for discussions with pacifists and the far left.

A treaty either means something or it means nothing. If it means nothing and military aggression against allies is perfectly okay once again, then we will have war. Once again.

NATO is a deterrent to war. It works. Just as FDR and Churchill envisioned it would.

What the fuck? “Anyhow who is publicly against it should be locked up”?

In other words, you advocated criminalizing political speech. That’s totalitarian thinking.
Just because something is the law, even the supreme law of the land, doesn’t mean it’s criminal to oppose it.

Yeah but I want to trample that part I don't like.

See how that works?

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enhydra lutris #conspiracy dailykos.com

The 2013 poison gas attack was not by Assad, which is why Obama quietly let the matter die. Results from testing by the lab used by the international community for these matters showed that not only wasn’t the gas from Assad’s stockpile, but that it was from one of a specific few of the various insurgent groups trying to overthrow Syria’s government — in short, a false flag.

It will be interesting, some future day when this event is actually investigated, to find out what really happened.

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Los Angeles Dem #conspiracy dailykos.com

Hmmm. I have this memory of a red line drawn in the sand by our last President. It had something to do with Assad using gas on his own people and how that would cross that line. I vaguely remember our last President in essence shrugging his shoulders when in fact Assad gassed his own citizens and crossed that red line. Or is this just a faulty memory?

The US realised those gas attacks were false flag attacks by rebels, designed to lure the US into bombing Assad. That's why we didn't bomb Assad for supposedly crossing a red-line. We realized he didn't cross the line.
That’s not true. You’re actually telling a lie here and repeating both Iranian and Russian propaganda fed to people by RT and Press TV.

I had no idea US Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh, who reported everything I wrote above, was a liar repeating Russian and Iranian propaganda from RT and Press TV when he wrote his story debunking the so-called Assad gas attack and the conclusions of US and UK intelligence that Assad's government was not responsible.
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Silver Fox 1957 #conspiracy dailykos.com

Whatever happened to the Chavez/Maduro supporters around here?

They would be here, but they're only halfway through the Caracas bread line


The bread line caused by Obama, Hiterly and the CIA blowing up the economy?

Ok. Everyone is getting plenty to eat. The stores are full. No one’s starving. The capitalists are refusing to produce goods, causing artificial shortages. And when they import goods, they divert almost all of it to Colombia or the Black Market.

How bout if you economic geniuses tell me how you can have mass shortages in a capitalist economy? And capitalists run the whole Venezuelan economy.

I’m waiting. Come on, geniuses, let’s hear how you get mass shortages of goods in a free market economy. It’s not even possible.

OK, this one isn’t satire, apparently. Capitalists in Venezuela aren’t permitted to function as capitalists. They don’t have access to raw materials either foreign or domestic, and they’re only allowed to sell below their costs production. Thus there’s no production. It’s true that a lot of production is diverted to Colombia or (more commonly) the domestic black market, but the chavista idea that the producers are diverting it isn’t correct. Rather, it’s the people who arbitrarily have first dibs on buying at ridiculously low mandated prices (typically the government’s most fervent supporters, curiously enough) who are doing that.

Not one thing you say here is true.

The stores are full. There are only shortages of a few things, and those tend to be basic items. There have been deliberate and artificial shortages of other things such as toiletries, medical goods, etc. This was all done to blow up the economy to get rid of the Chavistas. They have raids every week of warehouses full of hoarded goods. The last raid captured 21 million syringes. There are lots of people with plenty of money who want to buy stuff. And there are shortages. What sort of crap is that? So produce goods to supply the people with dollars waiting to buy stuff. Capitalism 101.

The oppositon has admitted many times that they are sabotaging the economy. The latest one was when an opposition leader said they were “boycotting the economy.”

What you say is nonsense. They have access to all of the goods they need to produce anything they want. Anyway the stores are full. Just not of the stuff people want to buy at the prices they want to pay. 95% of the goods in the stores are not covered by price controls. Price controls only cover a few basic goods. The prices are too low, but the government keeps raising the price controls to deal with business demands.

This entire crisis has unfolded as Maduro has stocked his government full of rightwingers from the business community and opposition. So this “failure of the Left” happened under the watch of rightwingers. Maduro has seriously caved to many of the demands of the Opposition. In fact a lot of people think he is a sellout. So this crisis happened after Maduro met demand after demand of the opposition. But the Opposition are like Republicans on Steroids. They keep moving the goalposts.

You know why those price controls were put in in the first place? Because the Opposition tried to blow up the economy. They had a lockout strike 10 years ago in which they shut down the economy by closing the doors of their businesses. This created artificial shortages and inflation raged. So Chavez put in price controls. They’ve since been lifted on many goods. So the Opposition forced the price controls in the first place.

You are wrong that goods are not diverted from production. The government gives dollars to import goods. First of all, the business sector generally takes these dollars and either invests them overseas in the US or diverts them to the money black market where they can sell them at a markup. So a lot of the dollars to import stuff are immediately diverted to the black market. In fact, the business sector is not producing anything. They would rather just play the money market. What goods are produced are diverted immediately to the black market or shipped to Colombia for a markup.

Fully 35% of goods imported are immediately diverted to Colombia where they can sell them for more money.

This whole mess is caused by a black market in currency which is a whole other ball of wax. This was caused by currency controls, but those were put in due to opposition meddling too. The opposition was shipping their money out of the country to the US instead of investing it. It’s called capital flight. Chavez put in price controls to stop that as he had to. Venezuela continues to lose $50 billion/year to capital flight. It’s still a huge problem. The currency controls were no big deal for a long time until the oil price blew up, then everything went to hell, and a black market for currency rose which screwed up everything.

Really this whole mess has been caused by the decline in oil prices, which incidentally was done by “leftwing” heroes like Obama and Hitlery. They negotiated a deal with Saudi Arabia to spike production to crash the price of oil. The purpose was “screw Russia.” A secondary purpose was to screw some other US enemies like Venezuela. So it’s the US and your pals the Saudis who crashed the price of oil as part of a scam to crash the Russian economy.

Price controls only cover maybe 5% of goods, and even that is iffy. So rice is covered, but a rice dish with chicken in a package is not. So chicken is covered, but not rotisserie chicken which the stands have plenty of. True there is a low profit on the price controlled stuff.

The capitalists had been refusing to produce this stuff as soon as the controls went in because the profit margin was too low. They could make a profit, but not enough of one. So the government was importing all that stuff on the price controlled list. Then the oil price blew up and the government went broke, so they had no money to import price controlled stuff. So shortages. Then a lot of planned sabotage.

PS you realize that the markets in the wealthy and middle class areas are full, right? Including all that price controlled stuff. There are no shortages of one thing, not even price controlled stuff, in the wealthier areas. Tell me how this is because capitalists can’t function.

The main problem is the black market in dollars. The way to deal with that was to float the currency, but Maduro did not have the balls to do it. This is a policy failure, but it’s not leftwing or rightwing. But to float the currency is a tough decision and it would hurt a lot of people. They did a partial float though. The black market dollars are now worth 4X the government rate, but before it was 90X the official rate.

Seeing as price controls only cover a small % of items, where do you get off with this “price controls ruined the economy” stuff.

Besides a lot of the price controls allow for a modest profit. I think some are below the cost of production but not most. And Maduro keeps raising them anyway.

Keep supporting fascists abroad while opposing them at home. It’s a grand tradition in the Democratic Party all the way back to 1900.