[On this <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/fatherhood.suit.ap/ ">case</a> where a man is suing to avoid child support because he did not want the woman to have the kid.]
This isn't about a man having a child then ditching it. This is about a man aborting a child BEFORE it is born. Women have that option... shouldn't men?
[No, a man should not be able to force a woman to have an abortion.]
I am sorry, I don't resort to personal attacks often, but you are stupid. The man has no reproductive rights. He has no choice to bring a child to birth or not.
Are men not worthy of reproductive rights?
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Okay, so a fundie who names himself Incorect...that's sort of funny.
Men will be entitled to similar abortion rights when THEY carry the babies. Now shut up, Incorrectly-spelled-Incorect.
Actually, I recently had a small debate with my Gov teacher about this very topic. My solution is, as far as I know, original.
In the UK, the law only allows abortion if continuing the pregnancy would risk a woman's physical or psychological health, or that of her other children if she has any. (In practice, of course, affecting her psychological health is considered fairly broadly).
Interesting. I'm not sure how anyone would determine that continued pregnancy would risk the woman's psychological health.
Just a few examples:
Ah, I see now. I completely agree. Especially with the second one; I meant to include that if the mother was a minor then the father forfeits all rights.
Well, no, but if she thinks and says it will that's usually considered grounds enough.
Am I incorrect in the assumption that men can give up all parental rights, therefore not have to pay child support? I know of plenty of men who did this and the mother had to do what she had to do to support the child on her own and the man could make as much money as he wanted to in his lifetime and still not have to support the child.
Ace-
Ace, physical responsibility is not the same as financial responsibility. A man who doesn't wear a condom faces no physical consequences and only has to pay with dollars (that she'll be lucky to ever see, I might add). A woman who gets pregnant and is forced to carry the pregnancy to term loses not only her mobility, ability to make her own medical decisions, puts her own health and life and risk, but loses her sacrosanct right to bodily autonomy.
It's the case that all a man is responsible for is delivering the sperm and then after the birth, when he pays for the consequences of his "tadpoles".
The answer is to wear a condom (safer all round), tie off the tubes, or take advantage of the male contraceptive medications as and when they become available.
Men must learn to take responsibility for their fertility in the way that women have (or should). That way they can't be "trapped" into a child they don't want, nor does a woman have the trauma of dealing with a child she didn't want (but got because she didn't take precautions!)
Hmmm...this one, I have to admit, is a thinker. On one hand, a woman should have the right to decide what to do with her own body with no intervention from anyone else. However, everyone knows about the kind of girl who lures a man in, and pokes holes in a condom to trap the guy into 18 years of child support, too. But then, I'm a firm believer that the abusers should not dictate a system, although I'm just as devout that a baby should never be used as punishment, or as a money source....GAH!
It makes my head hurt.
There we go:
"My proposition is this: both the mother and the father must consent to an abortion, in the same way that both the mother and the father must consent to the father's removal from the obligation to pay child support. This gives the father the say in the matter that these people seem to want, and it doesn't endanger the child in any way (as the removal from the obligation of child support could)."
With the unfortunate drawback that the incuba... eh, mother 's bodily integrity has been forfeited and that she will be forced into 9 months of pregnancy & delivery, a potentially life-threatening situation.
"This is why I'm against no-consequence abortion, it allows the woman total control and leaves the man out to dry."
You made a funny, right?
OK, straight men, here's how it goes:
If you don't want to pay child support, don't get anyone pregnant . If that's your choice, it's your responsibility to be sure. Wear a condom when you have sex . And for the "evil woman pokes holes in the condom" people? Bring your own condom. Take it out of the package, put it on. You have nobody to blame but yourself if you screw it up. And remember -- you'll have more rights regarding a fetus and eventual child when you're the one carrying it. Until then -- if you don't want a kid, it's your responsibility alone to make sure you don't contribute to any pregnancies.
“I am sorry, I don't resort to personal attacks often, but you are stupid.”
“The man has no reproductive rights.”
“He has no choice to bring a child to birth or not.”
“Are men not worthy of reproductive rights?”
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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