That's exactly true. At one time, creationism was taught, being that intelligent design was responsible for life. Separation of church and state arguments claimed this was a form of religion and got it taken out and replaced with the evolution theory. The problem is, with today's study of just DNA itself, which was only begun in 1953, is starting to prove that the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility. And now, they don't know what to do since they implanted this into every kid's early brain.
it's only until after you get to college, that you're allowed to test these theories and understand how they fail in the regard that chance chemistry sucks as a teaching tool.
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"with today's study of just DNA itself, which was only begun in 1953, is starting to prove that the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility."
And we have a LOSE.
"only until after you get to college, that you're allowed to test these theories and understand how they fail in the regard that chance chemistry sucks as a teaching tool."
What? Seriously, the words are in English, the grammar is right for the most part, but you still don't make any f#$@ing sense.
I suspect that unlike Zapem, I actually have college degrees and have indeed used my knowledge and experience to test "these theories." This is what convinced me to believe in evolution as a fact of life (pun intended).
I also suspect that Zapem has never gone to our institutions of higher learning and studied these matters as evidenced by his use of a term like "chance chemistry." Funny, this term was never mentioned in my courses on quantitative / qualitative analysis.
Lastly, I suspect that Zapem has a deep-seated hatred for such institutions. Those evil colleges that question dogma and superstition.
The problem is, with today's study of just DNA itself ... is starting to prove that the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility.
They've proved no such thing. A handful of people on the lunatic fringe, like William Dembski, claim they have such proof, but they refuse to actually show it to anyone - they make too much money selling books to gullible fundies to screw it up by submitting their work to mathematicians to check.
I suppose if Zapen had actually gone to college and bothered to take some chemistry and biology courses, he/she would realize that the processes concerning DNA, after being discovered, fit more or less perfectly within the evolution model, which led to the (further) solidification of evolution and creationism being banned from all public schools back in 1987.
Go back to school. Oh wait, you won't because you're scared you might learn something that will contradict your bronze-age beliefs.
"the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility[...]
The mathematical constructions behind statistical dynamics and quantum mechanics would beg to differ, as would the accurate predictions made by these fields and their application to virtually every aspect of chemistry...not to mention molecular biology.
Also, there's no reason to not test any theory before college.
"The concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility".
If you throw a pack of cards on the floor, it's a very, very small chance that they will fall in a specified order. But it's a certainty that they'll fall in SOME order.
The wonder is that earth evolved as it did (although, infinite universe, gotta happen somewhere as others have said), but SOMETHING would have come/evolved.
starting to prove that the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility
No, they've proved that things turning out exactly as they did is improbable . Things turning out in any similar way is a lot less improbable, and the chances of it turning out this way are almost exactly the same as the chances of it turning out another way, so there is no statistical reason why things should have turned out any other way.
"The concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility."
Does Zapem even realise what that would mean? If that were true, something with a 99% chance of being created would fail every time.
To apply that to something more visible than mutations, the chances of rolling a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 on a standard die are all 1/6. The number generated is subject to chance, but, according to Zapem, that means that rolling any number is a mathematical impossibility, as the number would have been generated by chance. Presumably he expects the die to land on a corner every time?
"chance" is a mathematical impossibility, and always has been seen as such. anything commonly considered "chance" is simply a product of too many minute factors to possibly consider. every "chance" event can trace the factors leading up to it all the way back to the start of the universe.
"That's exactly true. At one time, creationism was taught, being that intelligent design was responsible for life."
And we call those the Dark Ages.
Let put aside for a moment that evolution is NOT BASED ON THE IDEA OF RANDOM CHANCE. It's a slow process over time that comes from necessity. It is and improvement, though slight from the last model. Cognition in the brain tells animals and humans how to survive. so when a problem arises the brain, (which science still does not full understand) remember the problem and and passes on this memeory into the genes of the next born, with a more enhanced (though more than likely not fully complete) way to try to solve the problem.
< it's only until after you get to college, that you're allowed to test these theories and understand how they fail in the regard that chance chemistry sucks as a teaching tool. >
false. if you'd watch one of Dawkin's vids on this subject, you'd know why this 'chance' argument is utter bullcrap. but, since not there's virtually no such thing as fundies watching scientific documentaries or going to college, this straw man against the ToE is still used abundantly.
The Enlightenment brought with it a thirst for knowledge and an eagerness to know more about the world we live in. The more we learned about it, the more was taught in schools.
Separation of Church and State didn't start in 1953, stupid. In the US, it's been in place since sometime around 1790.
DNA confirms and strengthens the earlier evidence for the ToE, stupid.
Every kid's early brain is also implanted with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. They get over it as they grow older and mature.
It's not until you get to college that you are mature enough to test theories and really understand how well it all fits together. You didn't get to college level, I take it?
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