NOT every "whim of the people" is a civil liberties issue.
In the United States, there are no death squads of the government running around dragging homosexuals from their clubs, houses, beds and executing them in the street. Nobody is kicking children out of schools and saying they aren't allowed back because they are queer. Nobody is firing people for being gay. Nobody was hanging signs at the polling places this week saying "no gays get to vote." Nobody is even saying that they can't live together openly.......so your "civil liberty" issue, has nothing to do with civil liberties.........
The People have long held that a marriage was between a man and a woman, now all of the sudden certain people think it should be between any adult and whatever he/she/it wants the document to say that he/she/it is married to......The People have spoken in almost every state to reaffirm marriage as being between a man and a woman, EVEN CALIFORNIA.....only corrupt judges and politicians have said otherwise, usually after the crowd of voters had already reaffirmed the original meaning of the word marriage by a vote..... and yet YOU think that it is a civil liberty issue despite nobody being deprived of their life, freedom or belongings...
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--In the U.S. people would be dragged out of clubs and arrested, often times even tortured simply because they were gay (Stonewall).
--In the U.S., children who showed signs of being homosexual were often taken to mental institutions where they were tortured until they either went insane or betrayed who they were.
--In many states, it is still legal to fire someone just because the person is gay. In past decades, that practice was much more common.
These atrocities may not be as common today, but that is only because people have fought against them. Just because you don't see what has happened, does not mean they aren't civil liberty issues.
"In the United States, there are no death squads of the government running around dragging homosexuals from their clubs, houses, beds and executing them in the street. Nobody is kicking children out of schools and saying they aren't allowed back because they are queer. Nobody is firing people for being gay. Nobody was hanging signs at the polling places this week saying "no gays get to vote." Nobody is even saying that they can't live together openly.......so your "civil liberty" issue, has nothing to do with civil liberties......... "
It's not because you don't want to do it, it's because you are prevented from doing it because of sanctions applied by the civil rights laws you hate so much.
Nobody is firing people for being gay
Yes, they are, lots of them.
I notice you have said "belongings" instead of the broader "pursuit of happiness."
Also, a couple of the things you said nobody is doing actually are being done. What a shock!
There are citizens running around dragging homosexuals away, beat them up and leave them to die. Ask Matthew Shepard. Oh no, you can't because he died from his wounds and from exposure.
Children are kicked out of school for being queer, and children are definitely bullied for being queer.
People are fired for being gay. The employer might invent some other reason to put on the official files, though.
People are saying that gays are icky and ought not to kiss or hug in public.
Their civil liberties are violated, in that they can't get married in some states and countries.
The People held that black people could not sit where they wanted in busses, and people of different skin-tones were not able to marry, but that was changed. You will survive this change too, dearie. It's the corrupt judges and politicians that are protesting against civil rights for gay people, stupid.
People are being deprived of their right to marry the love of their life. I'd say that this is more important than mere belongings.
In the United States, there are no death squads of the government running around dragging homosexuals from their clubs, houses, beds and executing them in the street.
No, but back in the 70's police used to raid gay dance clubs and arrest everyone inside, just for being there.
The People have spoken in almost every state to reaffirm marriage as being between a man and a woman
You don't get to vote on other people's civil rights. That is tyranny of the majority. But even so, what do you say we hold a national vote on allowing gay marriage nationwide, simple majority wins? Because your side will lose. Even 61% of young Republican voters support same sex marriage. You're fighting a losing battle.
YOU think that it is a civil liberty issue despite nobody being deprived of their life, freedom or belongings...
WRONG! Same sex couples are not allowed to transfer property upon death to their significant other without huge inheritance taxes like heterosexual couples can.
And freedom? They don't have the freedom to marry who they want, so yes it is a civil rights issue.
"Queers" used to be fired, scapegoated, locked up in mental institutions, and even fucking killed just because people didn't like gays. It was through the civil liberties movements that those things stopped happening so much (although in most states it's STILL legal to fire someone for being gay). We had to drag people like you kicking and screaming into the 21st century and now that we did you still continue to hate on gays, this time for daring to continue to fight for their rights. It's fuckers like you that hold the human race back from its full potential. I am already extremely embarrassed by the fact that my generation will be associated with this kind of hatred in our future history books. Thankfully, it'll also be associated with fighting back against it and I intend to be on the right side of history.
"In the United States, there are no death squads of the government running around dragging homosexuals from their clubs, houses, beds and executing them in the street. Nobody is kicking children out of schools and saying they aren't allowed back because they are queer. Nobody is firing people for being gay. Nobody was hanging signs at the polling places this week saying "no gays get to vote." Nobody is even saying that they can't live together openly. "
But anyday now those things are going to happen to Christians right?
"NOT every "whim of the people" is a civil liberties issue.
In the United States, there are no death squads of the government running around dragging homosexuals from their clubs, houses, beds and executing them in the street. Nobody is kicking children out of schools and saying they aren't allowed back because they are queer. Nobody is firing people for being gay. Nobody was hanging signs at the polling places this week saying "no gays get to vote." Nobody is even saying that they can't live together openly"
...so what's your 'problem' then, when there are those - who aren't even LGBT - who say that the likes of you are calling for homosexuals dragged from clubs, houses, beds & stoning them in the street; kicking children out of schools because they're 'queer'; for the boycotting of LGBT-friendly companies; that the LGBT equation of the Demographics are responsible for their W.A.S.P.-friendly 'Golden Boy' candidate not in the White House. And the unimaginable butthurt over 'the death of "Traditional Marriage/The Family" etc' & same-sex marriage becoming increasingly legal throughout the US.
...because in the process of the non -election of your 'Golden Boy' - and a Mor(m)on is he - The People had spoken: they want 'marriage' to be redefined, and so what if you don't like that? After all:
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85% of the still mainly Protestant Christian (King William of Orange, and all that jazz) Dutch population can't be wrong. [/hyper-paradox]
"The People have spoken in almost every state to reaffirm marriage as being between a man and a woman"
A majority of the group you call The People are in favor of gay marriage, it's you last bubbles of screaming hate that are holding us back.
Okay then.
How about we abolish straight marriage? How about we make all heterosexual marriages null and void?
What would you do? Make it a case of your civil liberties being violated? What are you, some pinko librul? Your life, freedom and belongings aren't being deprived. What's that? Your "freedom" IS being deprived? Oh, you stupid, straight libruls - always whining about nothing!
"NOT every "whim of the people" is a civil liberties issue."
True, but the problem here is that you're mistaking a civil liberties issue (homosexual's constitutional right to substantive due process of law) for an expressed 'whim of the people', and not that others have mistaken a whim of the people for a civil liberties issue.
"In the United States, there are no death squads of the government running around dragging homosexuals from their clubs..."
What are the Stonewall Riots, Alex?
"In the United States, there are no death squads of the government running around dragging homosexuals from their clubs, houses, beds and executing them in the street. Nobody is kicking children out of schools and saying they aren't allowed back because they are queer. Nobody is firing people for being gay. Nobody was hanging signs at the polling places this week saying "no gays get to vote." Nobody is even saying that they can't live together openly"
You seem disappointed by this state of affairs
In the United States, there are no death squads of the government running around dragging homosexuals from their clubs, houses, beds and executing them in the street. Nobody is kicking children out of schools and saying they aren't allowed back because they are queer. Nobody is firing people for being gay. Nobody was hanging signs at the polling places this week saying "no gays get to vote."
No, it doesn't happen to anyone in the United States, but you do pretend this kind of thing is happening to Christians.
The People have long held that a marriage was between a man and a woman
That's not how government works. I suggest you take another look at the Constitution with particular reference to what it says about the judicial branch of government.
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