[About the movie The Da Vinci Code]
Atheists have absent or missing dads, hence reject the faith of the heavenly Father.
So what does this film break down to? The terrible taboo hidden shameful secret. Faith and churches, scriptures and art are turned into bearers of an unnatural unacceptable secret, much like the hidden homosexual nature..are You have a deity who makes the supreme sacrifice, now gets married and has earthly pursuits. This is like the dad who took off for the hot B' secretary, leaving family and the duty to raise the kids behind....you have the sexy albino monk trying to hide the secret. The Gnostics were pervs if nothing else, this is the homoerotic sexualizing of jesus.
All very Freudian, Hitler, a gay atheist who did not believe in Jesus, would have loved this film.
And dont tell me atheists hate this film because it promotes a historic jesus. no mainstream historians doubt a historic jesus, thats an unreasonable position.
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The Gnostics were pervs, but Abraham, Lot, those guys? Sweethearts.
And a nice Godwin for the cherry on top.
Have you read the book? It is, after all, a work of fiction. I suppose your taste in fiction runs more into the "biblical" vein.
Are all fundies closet queens? The vitriol against homosexuals makes me really wonder.
You got a secret there, Rabbi?
@Fundy Moron
And dont tell me atheists hate this film because it promotes a historic jesus. no mainstream historians doubt a historic jesus, thats an unreasonable position. And don't get me started on Disney's Monsters, Inc. ! First, there are no such things as monsters. Second, nice fuzzy things aren't very good monsters. Experts agree. Do they really expect us to fall for this? I wasn't convinced.
"Atheists have absent or missing dads, hence reject the faith of the heavenly Father."
Shut up you presumptuous assbite. I am as atheistic as a person can be, but my parents were happily married for 37 years.
"no mainstream historians doubt a historic jesus, thats an unreasonable position."
Not actually, asshat.
If atheists have absent or missing fathers, shouldn't they be intrinsically drawn to the heavenly father as a replacement for their real dad?
This reminds me of the fundie rhetoric about how they're mystified that atheists don't continuously murder and rape without God's wrath deterring them: it says a lot more about the fundamentalist and his morals than the atheist.
"Atheists have absent or missing dads, hence reject the faith of the heavenly Father."
Haven't seen this classic in a while. You really went out of your way to dig that one up, didn't ya?
"So what does this film break down to? The terrible taboo hidden shameful secret. Faith and churches, scriptures and art are turned into bearers of an unnatural unacceptable secret, much like the hidden homosexual nature.."
Somehow I just knew he'd work 'homosexual' into his post the second I saw "The terrible taboo hidden shameful secret" .
"The Gnostics were pervs if nothing else, this is the homoerotic sexualizing of jesus."
I'm confused. How is the description previous to this part supposed to be considered "homoerotic sexualizing of jesus" ?
"no mainstream historians doubt a historic jesus, thats an unreasonable position."
Unreasonable only if you have a good portion of your life invested in it being true.
<<< Atheists have absent or missing dads >>>
Nope. My dad's still around, Catholic as a matter of fact.
<<< Hitler, a gay atheist who did not believe in Jesus >>>
0 for 3. He had a mistress (and married the day before the two of them committed suicide), and he continually professed to be Catholic (whether he actually was or not, only he knew, but nothing even in his personal writings suggests otherwise).
<<< And dont tell me atheists hate this film because it promotes a historic jesus. >>>
I'm not fond of the story just because any story that takes something I'm familiar with and does something completely unexpected gives me a hard time with the necessary suspension of disbelief to enjoy the story. Obviously fictional settings are easy, as are somewhat realistic events in realistic settings. But this takes it too far. Same problem I had with National Treasure , incidentally - all fine and dandy to suggest that there's a hidden treasure, but the Declaration of Independence being part of the key to it? My brain spends too much time wrapping itself around that idea for me to enjoy such a story.
"And dont tell me atheists hate this film because it promotes a historic jesus."
Atheists are smart enough to know what the word "fiction" means - if they hate the film, it's because of bad acting, scripting, and/or production values.
To ChiefRabbiD
My dad hated the book. He said it was poorly written and poorly researched. As he has actually read the gnostic books that are being referenced in the story (in Greek, no less), he's got a good idea as to what was actually said
in things like the Gospel of Mary. But he'd probably find your arguments against the "Da Vinci Code" just as crap as the book.
If you're going to argue against the theology in it, know what you're talking about. Otherwise, just say you think it's bad fiction. You'll look less stupid.
Sigh, why are so many people so wrong? Alright, let's get to it.
1. Atheists don't always have absent or missing fathers. My father is alive, well, and happily married to my mother. For all practical purposes, he's an atheist. His father is alive, well, and married to my paternal grandmother. He is an extremely secular Jew. My great grandfather is no longer alive, although my great grandmother died only a few years ago at the age of 101. Based on what I've heard of them, they were slightly-secular liberal Jews. I'm an atheist, but I have a well-established paternal chain going back a number of generations.
2. Hitler was not a gay atheist. Hitler was a hetero Catholic. Hitler killed Jews and gays because he thought God told him to.
3. Atheists do not hate the film because of a historic Jesus. Atheists are rational, and do not cling to poorly-supported beliefs, thus we do not care if movies challange them. Ironically, Christians have been protesting The Da Vinci Code en masse.
No, they don't doubt a historic Jesus but a lot of them are a little fuzzy on his family tree.
Mmmsexyalbinomonk...
You're definitely right on one thing. *bisexual atheist who doesn't believe in Jesus, hearts film*
I'm a 48 year old atheist. I have always had a great relationship with my father, who isn't an atheist, and who has remained faithfully married to my mother for almost 50 years.
Your first sentence is a baseless assumptions.
Come to think of it, so is the rest of your post.
Par for the course, me thinks.
I'm a atheist, and my father is neither missing nor absent. Actually, I have an incredibly rich family life. Although my brother and I are in our thirties, we live close to my parents and see them often.
Put that in your fundy pipe and smoke it! Christians don't have a monopoly on good family life.
I hated this film because the writing was crap, the pacing kept switching between inhumanely lightning fast to godawfully slow, the identity of Teacher was incredibly predictable (If you've read any other Brown books), it doesn't even try to be even remotely correct about in its descriptions of historical items (The Madonna on the Rocks thing made me cringe), and Brown, in a desperate effort to make his characters more interesting, added Flavor Crystals to them - that is, he gave them characteristics for no reason whatsoever other than for them to stick out more (Case in point: Silas, the giant albino monk, or Teabing, the knightly British cripple. Neither of these afflictions have any bearing on the story whatsoever).
But hey, it's cool for you to hate it because you searched deep, deep down inside yourself and decided the whole thing was some sort of allusion to Jesus being a flamboyant homosexual, or whatever it is your problem with this movie is...
Hitler? Really? You realized he targeted homosexuals, right? He was also Christian...
PS I'm atheist and my dad certainly not missing. He's making his lunch in the next room...
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