Man can only walk in moral darkness. He can never know the unintended consequesnces of both his good acts and his evil acts. Only God can mitigate said consequences (of both good and evil acts) to usher in ultimate good and lasting good.
An example: You save a man from drowning - a good act indeed. Yet that man goes out that night and rapes and kills four women. Your good act, saving a man's life, is directly related to the death of these woman. If you had to allowed the man to drown those women would still be alive.
We are morally blind, blind to the consequences of both our good acts and evil acts...
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Helping someone is not evil. The same act that allowed you to save that man could lead someone else to save that woman from being rapped. If we are afraid to act because of what "might" happen we are truly bad.
Maybe I've pulled him out of the river, but I'm not the boss of him. If he goes out and kills people, it's his fault. I didn't make him do it.indirect consequences of our actions. People can unwittingly save murderers. Things like that happen.
That doesn't make us morally blind, it makes us limited. And it certainly doesn't mean we should avoid drowning victims; a good deed is a good deed, regardless of what use someone else makes of it. And all of this has been pondered, argued over, and worried about for thousands of years, by much better philosophers and religious thinkers than lion.
Irene
So this is his excuse for why he doesn't actually go and and do anything nice, compassionate, helpful, friendly or, you know, the kinds of things Christ would have wanted...
I got banned from CARM for 7 days for allegedly insulting another user. Supposedly it was the second time I had done so. For the life of me, I cannot remember insulting anyone over there, ever. I have actually been very careful not to, but if I was going to insult someone, this dumb son of a bitch lion, would be at the top of the list.
Steve
If the man you saved rapes or kills someone else, that's his responsibility, not yours.
Not my fault the guy was going to do that - and had I known, with absolute certainty, that he would, I'd have saved him and then called the cops to get him locked up before he could.
Steve
At least they told you WHY you were banned, I was just blocked without explanation. I was on my best behaviour and merely asked questions, I don't know what I did wrong besides encourage the exchange of ideas.
That's what you did wrong -- encourage the exchange of ideas.
That's not blind to your moral values, that's blind to the consequences of your actions.
And you can't predict the future.
Why the Hell does everything & everyone have to be pure evil to you people? God, you're depressing....
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There are words, these words are in English, and yet they make not the first bit of fucking sense. I think he's just talking out his ass, but it could be his face.
So, if I save a man's life and he turns out to be a rapist, my actions are directly related to his crime. However, the god that supposedly created the man, who allowed him to grow up in an environment where his criminal tendencies could develop, who could have intervened to stop the crime but did not and supposedly had foreknowledge of said crime due to being omnipotent is utterly blameless.
Oh, I'm going to love hearing an explanation for this.
But if the man goes home to his family and spends another thiry years as a loving husband and father - what then?
You are not responsible for the actions of others. It's interesting that you lot are so vehemently opposed to abortion when somewhere amongst the aborted fetuses there would (by the law of averages) have been a future murderer, rapist, or drunk driver.
So herein lies the paradox in your reasoning. The more people you let die, the more people you are saving. Fortunately, that is not most peoples' life's philosophy.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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