When adding evolution to God's creation, there are some things that need to be considered.
1) If evolution goes so well with God, why did Darwin have to recant his faith in order to write his theory? Can we do something the originator of evolution could not?
2) If evolution goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.
3) Evolution should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God. The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?
4) Evolutionists argue that evolution is not a religion. But yet will accept someone who mixes both as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can a non-religous subject be combined with a religous one and work without turning the non-religous one into religion?
5) Evolution and God working together should not promote God hate sites like FSTDT.com
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1/ Yes. I'm sure there are many things I can do that he couldn't... say like, Brisbane to Singapore in under 7 hours?
2/ I doubt it is evolution alone doing that.
3/ You can't preach evolution. It isn't a religion and doesn't offer to save or damn peoples souls.
4/ Toss the word-salad. Eating a dictionary and shitting the words onto a page does not a valid argument make.
5/ FFS. Get it thru your head: We don't hate god, most of us just simply don't believe that he exists. I may as well hate the Hamburgler TM.
You start with a false premise. Evolution was not "added" to creation.
Therefore, the remainder of your post is a non-sequitor.
FSTDT is not a site which promotes god-hate.
You and your ilk do more to cause "god-hate" than anything FSTDT could possibly do.
Have a nice day!
When adding Hell to God's creation, there are some things that need to be considered.
1) If Hell goes so well with God, why did He kill His own son to prevent people from going there?
2) If Hell goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.
3) Hell should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God. The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?
4) Christians argue that God is love. But yet will accept someone who mixes God and Hell as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can an evil subject be combined with a good one and work without turning God into 'hate'?
5) Hell and God working together should not promote hateful people like the Phelps.
Evolution is not being "added" to anything. It can simply be made compatible with Christian doctrine. Evolution isn't a religion. It has no 'doctrine', places of worship, dieties, a Holy Book. It has none of things that accompany an actual religion.
Also, FSTDT is not a "God-hating" website. Many religious people (myself included) happen to visit the site.
4) Evolutionists argue that evolution is not a religion. But yet will accept someone who mixes both as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can a non-religous subject be combined with a religous one and work without turning the non-religous one into religion?
Can a non-religious subject like breathing be mixed with a religious one like you?
Stop being a fundy, or stop breathing.
Either way, I win.
1. heh you've never read it have you?
2. I believe evolution to provide the christian faith with a less deistic god than creationism offers, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
3. you might have a point if this worked any better for creationism
4. Absolutely, a screw is not a nail and will never be one but my house is held together by both.
5. who says it does? We doe hate god. We hate people who justify willful ignorance and crime in the name of god. I doubt this would change if evolutionary theory didn't exist.
1. Darwin recognized that the bible could not be reconciled with the concept of human evolution.
2. Spinoza's God fits quite well. It tends to encourage the people on the fence to lose their bibles.
3. Adaptation, not salvation. Evolution explains important life processes, but does not deal with any speculative afterlife.
4. Every scientist is free to speculate, on a philosophic level, concerning deities, supernatural postmortem events, etc. They can even be members of a congregation. But scientists do not, have never, and will never, incorporate any supernatural notion as a factor in any theory. It simply ceases to be science when that happens.
5. Science versus religion is like...cash money in hand versus an IOU. You diss rock-solid reality at your own risk...may I call you fatuous at this point, ikester7579?
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1) The fuck are you talking about?
2) People are losing their faith because their faith doesn't accept something they think makes logical sense, maybe?
3) You can't use it as a tool if you refuse to endorse it at all. As much as I fear giving Fundies advice to use the principal of natural selection....
4) It. Is. Not. And you're under the assumption that non-religious means anti-religious, when in fact it means not pertaining to religion.
5) FSTDT.com isn't a "God hate site." Any hatred we have is reserved for assholes who promote rape, murder, racism, & just generally being an ignorant dumbass. Just because they use God to justify what they do does not mean they speak for him/her/it/they, & ergo, our insults are not aimed at said deity/deities. A lot of people who go here believe in God, & a lot don't. I don't think you'll find many here who truly "hate" God.
Hell, I don't even hate you. You're a Hell of a lot better than a rape apologist Fundie, albeit a little dense.
1) - 4) have a simple answer:DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY!!!
As for hate - naah, you're the ones doin' the serious job, we just watch and comment.
"Evolution should be used as a salvation tool...."
You mean the way relativity, quantum mechanics, germ theory and electrical engineering are?
2) If Christians make a literal interpretation of Genesis an essential part of their faith, then people who find they can no longer accept a literal interpretation are likely to lose their faith. But this is less likely if they are aware that there are many Christians who see Genesis as allegorical.
The answer is simple. The majority of the religious explanations for the source of our reality were made up by a bunch of superstitious stone-agers. Now, instead of making up something that will get us an extra lump of meat at the cave fire, we actually go and take a look at how things work... it's not entirely surprising we get things that don't gel with the invented stories.
Evolution was discovered, not "added".
No one "added" the fossil record or DNA evidence. They were there the whole time we've been here, like puzzle pieces in the ground and in our cells. (Fundies insist that the pieces match the picture on the box that their ancestors drew, and refuse to participate with the rest of us putting together the pieces and seeing the pic for what it really is.)
1) Darwin lost his faith as much over the death of his daughter as evolution. A good god and the shitty things happening to little children were irreconcilable to him.
The rest is garbage. Evolution completely discredits Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. However, the presence of a spherical Earth, sperm being produced in the Testes, Jesus not coming back within the lifetime of his disciples, and True Christians not being miraculously immune to poison (Mark 16:15-19) also discredits these religions, so I don't know why they single out Darwin so much.
ikester7579, you are absolutely right.
Evolution and God DON'T work together.
Guess which of the two of 'em is probably closer to reality?
Mister Spak beat me to it!
1) Didn't Darwin's lack of faith hit AFTER he wrote "On the Origin of Species"? And I do believe that his faith crisis occurred because of his daughter's death.
2) I have never heard of anyone losing their faith due to evolution. I have heard of people losing faith in fundie-style biblical literalism, but never the entirety of their religion. See Sandman and Sophie for examples.
3) Evolution no more needs to be used as a 'salvation tool' than do geometry or gravity. The idea that anything that is compatible with Christians must draw people to Christianity is ludicrous.
4) Can one be both religious and a computer tech? Can one defend Christianity and still be a computer technician? Or does it make computer science a religion?
5) FSTDT.com is not a hate site of any sort. In fact, some of the most prestigious regulars are Christian. Add that to the fact that secular fundies are quoted as well, and we see that you're making things up again.
"1) If evolution goes so well with God, why did Darwin have to recant his faith in order to write his theory?" Because he didnt. "Can we do something the originator of evolution could not?" Given that the originator of evolution is life itself,,, Who knows.
FSTDT is not so much a "god hate site", but a "laugh at the stupidity" site. And unlike retardation, which the person has no control over, the fundies are intentionally stupid. Therefore, there is no guilt :)
Ikester is confusing God with the Bible, a book written by a bunch of bronze age Arab goat-herders. A god who created life by evolution would be far superior to one who had to make each animal from scratch and provided no method for adjusting to changing circumstances. As Thomas Acquinas said "The potency of a cause is the greater, the more remote the effects to which it extends."
FSTDT isn't a "god hate" site. Many posters are atheists. They don't believe in God; therefore they don't hate God any more than they hate the Tooth Fairy. Others believe in God, but object to people who use religion to justify bigotry or want to change our laws and schools to make others conform to their beliefs.
1. Darwin recanted nothing. His faith slowly slipped away over the course of his lifetime.
2. People don't lose their faith because of evolution. Inasmuch as evolution is involved, they lose it because they study the facts and realize that what they're being told in church about evolution isn't true.
3. Because nothing is ever neutral in Christianland. "Whatever you do, whether in word or in deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." Colossians 3:17 -- had to memorize it in high school. Fundies like that verse because it gives them an excuse to avoid thinking about anything that doesn't have anything to do with God.
3. No, in an ideal world it has no bearing on faith at all. But among Biblical inerrantists, it has a knack for pulling people away from faith.
4. Stephen Jay Gould would think so. There are a lot of people who don't like the concept of non-overlapping magisteria, but it's as close as one can come to a compromise while still remaining intellectually honest.
5. No, we promote it ourselves. Free will and all. DarwinAwards.com is pretty cool too, and more or less in the same vein but with more schadenfreude.
If churches would stop lying to their followers about the infallibility of Genesis, those followers would not lose their faith. It's only when they realize that they've been lied to their entire lives about evolution that the ToE causes people to lose their religious faith.
So stop lying and the problem goes away. Simple, huh? But probably impossible for real fundies.
> If evolution goes so well with God, why did Darwin have to recant his faith in order to write his theory? Can we do something the originator of evolution could not?
> If evolution goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.
> Evolution should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God. The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?
> Evolutionists argue that evolution is not a religion. But yet will accept someone who mixes both as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can a non-religous subject be combined with a religous one and work without turning the non-religous one into religion?
> Evolution and God working together should not promote God hate sites like FSTDT.com
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