With environmentalism, especially the radical version of it—you know we used to have conservationism in America with Teddy Roosevelt and these people—but now environmentalism has taken over and nature is the most important thing. So you have to adjust everything to nature. Nature is viewed as a holistic tyrant, so to speak, and holism really teaches tyranny. Fascism is all connected here. You have to bow everything to nature’s holistic inter-relatedness and you can’t buck anything with regards to what nature does. This is the problem with environmentalism and why it’s so dangerous, because it becomes your tyrant.
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Israel would be the example of this originally, as they were commanded to go in and subdue the promise land and fill it and that’s what they did and for a while it was a good land, then these other things came in, environmentalism came in and destroyed their culture, what I call the Baalism, the nature worship, instead of worshiping the Creator they worshiped nature and this led to the destruction of their society. I think the same things are happening in our own country today too. We have this nature-worship now that is infiltrating our society, infiltrating Christianity too, and it is bringing us down and it is something that people need to be wary of. There is a dark path to this whole environmental discussion that people need to know.
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Yeah, except there is no worship, no holistic nonsense involved in environmentalism.
You religious types always bitch about being lumped in with the more fanatical lot, but you're doing it to extremes here.
Go ahead. Defy that evil Nature. Quit eating, drinking, and excreting, and then step off a precipice to show you can, too, fly.
We have to adjust everything to Nature, or we will all be doomed, when we've killed off Nature.
It's not worship, it's stewardship, something even the Bible tells us to do.
Your thought processes are so inextricably linked to your fundamentalist religion, that you can't think outside religious terms. Therefore, to you, every concept that you don't like is an opposing religion - atheism, enviromentalism, feminism etc. Sorry, but just because you are unable to think straight does not mean that everyone else is like you. As hard as it obviously is for you to comprehend, not everyone has a religion. Not every "ism" is a religion. Some people just like to base their beliefs on evidence. Simple as that.
Yeah! Screw environmentalism! LA wants their smog back! They want to be able to use the old UCLA joke* again.
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Ah, that's the smell of right wing success! If only we could get rid of the EPA and deregulate businesses then every city could look like that!
The conservatives clearly have their priorities straight!
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*What do you see when a strong wind blows through Los Angeles? UCLA.
"So you have to adjust everything to nature. Nature is viewed as a holistic tyrant, so to speak, and holism really teaches tyranny. Fascism is all connected here. You have to bow everything to nature’s holistic inter-relatedness and you can’t buck anything with regards to what nature does. This is the problem with environmentalism and why it’s so dangerous, because it becomes your tyrant."
No,no. That's YOUR god.
We have this nature-worship now that is infiltrating our society, infiltrating Christianity too, and it is bringing us down and it is something that people need to be wary of.
It's not environmentalism that's destroying Christianity, Christianity is destroying Christianity.
How does throwing your garbage into the air and water, killing off whole species and letting fly-by-night contractors drain wetlands to build houses on the mud worship the Creator? Would we honor Frank Lloyd Wright by burning down his houses or honor Brunelleschi by knocking down his cathedral dome in Florence?
Anti-environmentalism doesn't worship the Creator - it worships the almighty buck. Come back when they want to save a buck by dumping toxic mine tailings in a stream by your house.
People have been criticising nature-worship and mysticism in the environmental movement for at least 25 years now. Someone on the left who did it very effectively was Murray Bookchin. The first paragraph here is like a very crude, ill-thought-out version of that kind of critique.
The second paragraph though is the most absolute nonsense. Like with so many quotes on here, I can't decide if this person is wicked and deliberately trying to deceive people, or if he is just stupid.
I rather worship Nature than your Demiurge. Your Demiurge is a giant psychopathic turd...the REAL Satan!
Nature & Godhead are one & the same. All is Deity. Pantheism, which I believe, makes sense. You are a meathead who talks through THIS ORFICE:
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Time for a "Holy Ghost Enema" administered by The Supreme DeviMata AdiShakti Herself!
And lotsa fiber....
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What Janet is saying is "God made and gave me my SUV and I'm going to drive that gas guzzling sucker anywhere I want, dammit."
Everybody knows energy conservation and recycling are un-American. Leave the lights on! Use plastic bags! Drive SUV's. Chop down trees. Frack natural gas (even if gas is for wusses). Oil! Oil! Oil!
Solar energy is a communist European scam! Don't be fooled by it. Wind energy comes from the devil. Who wants one of those huge ugly turbines around when you can have a quiet, clean atomic energy plant?
1. GO FUCK YOURSELF
2. the environmental engineering branch of civil engineering IS conservationism. Seriously, it is. we just have a much better understanding of how we affect nature, and how nature affects us.
take groundwater for example. did you know that most of our drinkable, accessible freshwater comes from the ground? well nature needs that water too, just to keep functioning. for trees to do things like make oxygen, which we need to breath. what happens if it takes hundreds of years for the groundwater to move through an area, and you pump it all out in 50?
lets say you dont care about nature, and pump all the water out of the ground around your house anyways. now you have ground subsidence to deal with. that could literally destroy your home.
this is one small example, but the environment is an extremely complex thing. if environmentalists want to shut a project down, its probably not because they are hippie tree huggers. its far more likely that they have a damned good reason
1. GO FUCK YOURSELF
2. the environmental engineering branch of civil engineering IS conservationism. Seriously, it is. we just have a much better understanding of how we affect nature, and how nature affects us.
take groundwater for example. did you know that most of our drinkable, accessible freshwater comes from the ground? well nature needs that water too, just to keep functioning. for trees to do things like make oxygen, which we need to breath. what happens if it takes hundreds of years for the groundwater to move through an area, and you pump it all out in 50?
lets say you dont care about nature, and pump all the water out of the ground around your house anyways. now you have ground subsidence to deal with. that could literally destroy your home.
this is one small example, but the environment is an extremely complex thing. if environmentalists want to shut a project down, its probably not because they are hippie tree huggers. its far more likely that they have a damned good reason
Our current lifestyle is unsustainable. Read a goddamn book. If we don't change our ways we're going to die out, every last human being. I don't give a fuck if you call that fascism. I'd rather be fascist than dead.
By the way, this right here is why I no longer even consider voting Republican. I probably wouldn't vote for them anyway, but until the party starts being pro-environment I'm not ever going to consider a single GOP candidate.
@Raised by Horses:
I am saving the hell out of that comic.
The only reason fundies behave like this against important environmental issues and solutions to fix it is because:
A. They don't truly believe our resources would ever run out or expire here on our very FINITE planet earth
B. They don't truly believe their biblical god would ever place them in said finite planet or make such a place/creation that is so finite in it's resources and that god will stop it if it starts to happen and will fix and maintain it for us
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C. The end is neigh anyways because of Revelations in the bible and their gods judgement day and Jesus coming back is 'soon'TM so there's no need to worry about all this "Fascist" stuff anyways.
Assholes. MOTHER EARTH IS BENDING AND SOON TO BREAK IF WE DON'T KEEP HOLDING HER UP SO SHE CAN CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN PLANT AND ANIMAL LIFE INCLUDING OURS! GET OVER IT!
Ok, let me put it this way:
Overdrafting irreplaceable resources is incompatible with the long term survival of industrial civilization, the basis of everything that stands between us and Malthusian horror. Since I like industrial civilization a lot, I'd rather make it go on for as long as possible.
Furthermore, pollution is not only killing people directly - though you may not notice, since industrialized societies export or outsource a lot of their pollution away to the third world - but is also in the process of altering the earth's environment in ways that we can hardly predict and to a level that would considerably worsen human living conditions.
Which is bad.
Please note that nowhere above did I express any care about cute furry things or huggable trees. Keeping our house in order is in our bloody self interest.
This unnatural guardianship of nature is the antithesis of God's intended Holy Plan. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to look forward to a marvelous supernatural future with a wonderfully blasted Earth full of toxic wastes and other angelic delights.
Rivers and seas devoid of life (who needs fish!), poisonous airs, dust bowls, depleted soils, dying rain forests, holes in the ozone layer, rapidly spreading deserts, melting ice, chaotic weather, rising sea levels, a population rife with malignant diseases, irradicable parasites galore, massive infestations of vermin and, with good luck, fervent prayers and a strong wind, possibly even locusts.
Think of the view from your kitchen window as you lovingly prepare a breakfast of those spindly root thingies you managed to retrieve from the cracks in the paving stones mixed with a scraped brownish sludgey stuff. Mmmm! Tasty! And what a glorious view as you dine. Magnificent slag heaps and, inching its way around them, a slimey, gloopy, grey-brown ribbon of filth. God's own paradise on Earth. Praise be to Him.
To borrow a colourful phrase I heard in Texas:
"Don't shit where you sleep."
How difficult is that to grasp, really?
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