During the start of the whole Anti-Freemason trend, a judge ruled a man as an incompetent witness because he was an athiest.
And I almost agree, you'd have to be atleast a little bit mentally incompetent to not believe in SOMETHING. I mean the whole need to worship something is ingrained in the human psyche. To disbelieve is just petty and contrary.
imho
So, inregards to [atheists] being a distrusted minority, I think thats nonsense, they don't ever get together and meet and discuss their common idiocy. But I could do well with a lot less of those people.
As of the strong/weak thing. Weak athiests are just agnostics in my opinion, its sad they lack faith, but atleast they don't try to deny it. Thats the real idiocy, the denial.
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<<they don't try to deny it. Thats the real idiocy, the denial>>
Nice and coherent.
<<they don't ever get together and meet and discuss their common idiocy.>>
And why do people have to meet and discuss their idea's? The meeting would go something like this.
1. "I don't believe in God."
2. "Yeah, me neither."
1. "Nice."
2. "So...."
1. "Let's go grab a beer."
And we do believe in something. We belive in the ability of humans to figure out the world around us without resorting to a God who might or might not exist, but most definitly doesn't give any sign as to His/Her/It's existence.
Actually, the common attribution among psychologists and philosophers for a belief in SOMETHING is the terror management theory. This theory says that a belief in a god, and an agerlife is created to relieve our fear of being dead. Atheists simply confront and overcome that fear. Really, they're mentally healthier.
This guy is right on the brink of understanding the entire bullshit deal that is religion:
"I mean the whole need to worship something is ingrained in the human psyche."
Yes! Exactly! Go with that... think about it... almost there...
People believe this shit not because there's evidence for it--the only real reason to believe anything--but because they just fucking want to believe and follow something. For some reason, we're genetically hardwired with the tendency to have faith in something, against all logic. (The prevalence of religion in all cultures, throughout all of history, demonstrates that there's at least some genetic root to it.) There could be any number of reasons that evolution caused us to be that way. Maybe when we were monkeys throwing shit, those who blindly followed the alpha male were more likely to survive, and so the trait became intensified and more common. Or if that's wrong, there's some other explanation. But we clearly have this behavior coded into us, the way birds have nest-building coded into them.
The silver lining is that, unlike birds, humans don't universally follow the pattern. For some of us, logic does win out.
And then you have people like Elder Spwan (is he being clever, or is he misspelling his own name?) who understand that faith is just ingrained in us... yet willingly ignore that knowledge and fall for faith anyway. What was that he said about denial?
"I mean the whole need to worship something is ingrained in the human psyche."
As is making war, being cruel and disliking those that are "different" than the small communal group we're born into. Luckily we're also capable of overcoming these ingrained responses, at least enough to advance to where we are. Belief in something is no different. It also can be overcome, usually through understanding of the way things truely work.
"So, inregards to [atheists] being a distrusted minority, I think thats nonsense, they don't ever get together and meet and discuss their common idiocy."
You had me thinking you were an enlightened fundy, right up to that "common idiocy" crack.
"But I could do well with a lot less of those people."
And we with you.
"Weak athiests are just agnostics in my opinion, its sad they lack faith, but atleast they don't try to deny it."
What kind of atheists are you talking to who deny that they lack faith? If they deny they have no faith then they're affirming they do, indeed, have faith thus making them theists.
"Thats the real idiocy, the denial."
I do hope I'm misunderstanding you. Atheists do not deny they lack faith. Why would they?
"During the start of the whole Anti-Freemason trend, a judge ruled a man as an incompetent witness because he was an athiest."
Well, That is illegal and that judge should be removed.
"And I almost agree, you'd have to be atleast a little bit mentally incompetent to not believe in SOMETHING."
Us atheists believe in plenty of things, love, peace, kindness, scientific inquiry, free-thought. It's just your religous fairy tales we don't believe.
"I mean the whole need to worship something is ingrained in the human psyche."
There is some evidence that a desire to believe in and worship a diety has a genetic componant in some people. It is not evidence that that belief in a diety is correct.
"To disbelieve is just petty and contrary.
imho"
Well, it is certainly contrary to *your* belief. I have considered religous questions for many years, and seriously studied the bible and other scriptures. Please do not presume to call my atheism "petty."
I'm glad you realize your opinion is humble. It has much to be humble about.
"So, inregards to [atheists] being a distrusted minority, I think thats nonsense, they don't ever get together and meet and discuss their common idiocy."
You believe in Christianity in which a talking snake, a talking donkey, a talking burning bush, a flying roll which burns the houses of thieves, resurrection of the dead, turning water into wine, feeding thousands on a few fish and a few loaves of bread, walking on liquid water, a man swallowed by a whale and puked up healthy 3 days later, etc. are presented as facts, and you have the temerity to call atheism "idiocy?"
"But I could do well with a lot less of those people."
With 82-85% of the U.S. population professing to be Christian perhaps you can understand when I say "SHUT UP." Atheists put up with your delusion permeating our culture all the damn time. We could do well with fewer of your kind.
"As of the strong/weak thing. Weak athiests are just agnostics in my opinion, its sad they lack faith, but atleast they don't try to deny it. Thats the real idiocy, the denial."
To deny something for which there is no evidence is not idiocy.
Well to quote Crash Davis in Bull Durham.
Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094812/quotes
I myself believe two things.
Everyone can be educated, tolerant, caring and enlightened (sually stemming from educated), but also believe for every idiot you educate, two more will take their place.
So . . . not believing in God equates to not believing in anything?
You're a moron.
[So, inregards to [atheists] being a distrusted minority, I think thats nonsense, they don't ever get together and meet and discuss their common idiocy.]
True. Atheists, by definition, don't attend church.
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose."
-Clarence Darrow
You know what the difference is between Elder Spawn, and an imbicile?
Yeah, me neither.
Oh, and a weak atheist is one who doesn't believe in gods, while a strong atheist is one who actively believes that there is no god. An agnostic believes that we cannot know whether there is a god or not, and may believe, lack belief, or even disbelieve in gods.
Yeah, its sad that we don't have web forums and peer review and wikipedia... We never share our ideas with each other.
If only we could unite and share our ides, we could... wait a minute, we already do those things.
It's interesting that he argues that going against an ingrained need of the human psyche is petty and contrary given that nearly everything the bible tells you to do does just that.
Besides which, I do believe in something, I believe in a rational, observable universe whose fundamental mechanisms can be deduced from careful and accurate study. If it was all kicked off by something, I imagine that the initial whatever, if analysable at all, will be equally discernible through logic and experiment.
My reason for believing this is that it appears to have worked well enough so far.
"He was called an incompetent witness because he's an atheist."
Isn't that a discrimination on religious basis, therefore something that a judge should NOT apply to anyone during trial?
Confused?
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