Joe Btfsplk #fundie

Joe Btfsplk #fundie fstdt.com

(in response to a rhetorical question highlighting how little Americans seem to care about their fellow man.)

Girl, you can take your European socialism and shove it where the sun don't shine. You can choose to live your life in a society that, in order to protect you, takes all your freedoms away from you like is being done in Europe. There is one fact of life. In a free society there is the possibility that you will die. One of our founders proclaimed, "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!" I echo his sentiments. While the socialists of this country have made big inroads in taking our liberty away from us in order to protect us, there will come a time, shortly maybe, when I will pick up a gun and kill as many of them as I can!!!

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old comment by Brain_In_A_Jar

Sigh - in order for any form of government to exist at all, one must surrender a finite number of rights to it, otherwise that government has no authority whatsoever and is thus utterly impotent. If it's a democratic country, then you are as close as it is possible to get to giving the government that authority voluntarily and also as close as possible to the ability to get them back at any time via a vote. You can always renounce citizenship, of course. There is no way around this; you either give up some of your rights, or you live in utter anarchy with nothing resembling government - no constitution, no bill of rights, no police force, no law courts, no army, nothing. Don't try to argue about joining a militia or some other minor group either; the process is exactly the same. If you're for democracy or any kind of social structure, even close knit groups of friends, you must be willing to submit, even only partially, to the opinions of others in times of disagreement, which constitutes a reduction of rights.

old comment by Amos

The government doesn't just go around stealing people's money. They take what is given by the consent of the governed. It works like this:
___1. The public votes for someone that will tax you. ___2. By voting for the representative, we ok'd his/her decision. (At least until we vote for someone who'll repeal it.) ___3. When the government goes for your money, it's doing its part of the contract you agreed to: your money for some service, as brokered by your representative. That's democracy; both American and European. I'm not completely happy with it, you don't like it. But bitching about it without a better system just shows that you're a crybaby. (And no, putting your personal opinion in stone is not a better system.) But going through the government to help others... it seems to be an efficient method, so long as it's not done in America. We gum everything up with bureaucracy like you've never seen.

old comment by G.Fieendish

And the country that's most responsible for the erosion of Human Rights in Europe is...(opens envelope)
The United States of America...
From the insistance that all personal data, including biometric data, of non U.S passengers travelling to the U.S (ncluding changing aircraft, but not leaving the airport) be transmitted to a U.S database, 48 hours before departure in contravention of European Data Protection Laws, & without the persons consent, the reaffirmation of legalised kidnapping of foriegn citizens,in their own country, & in some cases, without any legal proof,that they have committed said offence, in the form of "rendition", & finally the "legalised" use of torture, banned under the Geneva Convention...

old comment by CailinBan

Irony, irony, irony.

The civil rights we in Europe enjoy are WAY more than the U.S. enjoys. Our governments cannot legally spy on us, for just one example.

Also, it's not in Europe that the government can take your home from under you because you don't pay taxes on it - I find that so bizarre about the US. I understand the exact meaning of 'real estate' is from the Spanish word 'real' meaning 'royal'. And in effect the govt owns your house and you only think you do. The fact that they can take it shows who really owns it.

In my country we own our houses, and even the banks have trouble taking them back if we default on a mortgage, if they're the primary home (they can, but it's a true last resort). The govt can put you in prison for non-payment of taxes or fraud, but it can never, ever take your home.

Also in Europe we have, to varying degrees, excellent quality of free or cheap health care.

I'm with another poster who won't go to America (although I long to see the Grand Canyon) until there's regime change and I no longer have to be treated like a criminal to go there. (The authorities now have the right to take any of your electronic equipment at will, e.g. laptops or mobile phones, and download all information off them!)- WITHOUT warrants or anything. FFS

You don't realise, when you bad-mouth Europe, how aghast we Europeans are at the erosion of your civil liberties, at the way you've lost the respect of us all, at the way we are saddened at how far you've fallen, how we know you're no longer the land of the free in any way, nor the home of the brave.

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Joe Btfsplk #fundie fstdt.com

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