The "Discrimination Now!" Award
For excellence in the field of shit that has nothing to do with you.
The law provides exemptions for pastors, religious institutions and non-profit corporations affiliated with religious organizations, but The New York Times suggests those are unnecessary. So Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel Action advises the Times to take a closer look at the Constitution.
Mainly, he notes "our First Amendment rights of free speech and freedom of religious expression. This is troubling, but not surprising that The New York Times is once again publicly...editorializing about the need to trample on individuals' religious liberties," he laments.
Barber goes on to argue that the religious exemptions are worthless, as the only intent for their inclusion was to convince fence-sitting senators to vote for the legalization.
"The true motivation here is not for marriage equality; the true motivation is to, under penalty of law, ensure that all Americans are compelled to embrace the demonstrably destructive and immoral homosexual lifestyle," the attorney points out.
In order to accomplish that, any opposition must be silenced. In truth, Barber does not think the religious exemption goes far enough because it does not protect individual people of faith, especially those in business who oppose homosexuality.
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All part of the desperate spinning and ineffectual floundering of the ghastly busybody who wants to tell people what to do so that everyone will be in total accord with his very own obsessions, dislikes and likes. The sort of bigoted moron who considers democracy an affront to his sensibilities when it doesn't work in his personal favour.
@Murdin
It's amazing, the things we can do with technology these days. In this case, we have achieved fundie whole-brain emulation, using the principle behind text generators .
Though perhaps that's not saying much.
And I read:
Blah, blah blah whine about homosexuality blah blah blah, blah blah. Blah blah blah, we are wronged because marriage is between a man and a woman blah blah blah businesses who oppose homosexuality blah.
The funny part is that I'm old enough to remember the very same arguments being used to deny African Americans equal rights.
I especially love the line "the demonstrably destructive and immoral homosexual lifestyle." Where is the evidence for this? If it's "demonstrably destructive" you should have mountains of it. So far, the most destructive aspects of being gay are the repulsive and hateful actions of sanctimonious assholes such as Matt Barber.
The first in what is sure to be a long series of bitch and moan sessions from those who didn't get their way.
Boo. Hoo.
Suck it up, asshole. Society is moving on with or without you.
"demonstrably destructive and immoral homosexual lifestyle"
Explain to me how being gay (which, btw, isn't so much a lifestyle choice but a sexual desire to those of your same sex/gender) is destructive. I won't bother with immoral, 'cause you'll trot out the bible.
Also, business people don't perform marriages, so I don't even know how that comment is at all related to a bill -- now a law -- legalizing gay marriage.
"...(T)he true motivation is to, under penalty of law, ensure that all Americans are compelled to embrace the demonstrably destructive and immoral homosexual lifestyle,"
Well, I guess it's time to short-sell your Wal-Mart stock and buy Macy's. Looks like we'll all be dressing and decorating upscale soon!
Fred Phelps has gotten to say ungodly(jokes!) vicious things about homosexuality for like 30 years, but anytime he gets into legal trouble, he comes out of it fine. You know why? Because the first amendment says that he has the right to oppose homosexuality.
What the FUCK is it that you plan on doing that's worse than Fred Phelps' antics?
Please get over it. Gays can marry get over it! It really does not affect you so move on.
Religion may not like it, but hell there are lots of us whom religion is a carbuncle on the backside of humanity, yet it still continues.
> Barber goes on to argue that the religious exemptions are worthless, as the only intent for their inclusion was to convince fence-sitting senators to vote for the legalization.
*facepalm*
So, you think you can ignore laws, because, in your view, they were made by some guy for some purpose and therefore it's not serious business?
What if people just ignored laws that limit marriage to male + female? After all, those laws were made just to appease hidebound fundie nuts. No purpose whatsoever. Not serious business. What do they know of true love?
Free hint: Law is as it is written. You don't add random bullshit to the laws, because, well, everything in the law can be enforced .
Churches have always been allowed to refuse to marry anyone they please if it violates their tenets. Catholic priests aren't required to marry non-Catholics, or even divorced Catholics, if that's their rules. As I understand it, the exemptions merely say that churches may refuse to provide other related marriage-celebration services (e.g., renting out their banquet halls), too; and if they do, the state can't penalize them by canceling support for their other charitable activities (e.g., soup kitchens).
Never trust any group with "liberty," "family", "freedom," or "heritage" in its title.
"it does not protect individual people of faith, especially those in business who oppose homosexuality. "
Yup. We have these anti-discrimination laws so gay people, Black people, Muslims, etc. can do stuff like buy food, rent apartments, and get jobs in spite of mean-for-jesus jerks like Barber. If Zoroastrians refused to sell dogsleds to Christians, he'd lie down on the floor and have a tantrum.
Think about what the Libertarian stance would really mean: ghettoization of all the various religious and ethnic groups. A brown-skinned person probably wouldn't be able to buy enough gas to get out of Texas.
First, provide evidence that homosexuals are "demonstrably destructive and immoral" and that it's a lifestyle, not a genetic or "born like this" thing.
Second, show evidence that the fact that homos can now marry, has any impact whatsoever on your life.
Then we'll talk...
I know hate is a strong word, but I really hate Matt Barber.
"The true motivation here is not for marriage equality; the true motivation is to, under penalty of law, ensure that all Americans are compelled to embrace the demonstrably destructive and immoral homosexual lifestyle," the attorney points out.
How does anyone even think like this?
Also, if businesses don't like the fact that they might have to serve gay people, they're free to close shop.
That last paragraph explains it all. They are not protected from angrily opposing something that hurts nobody, which riles them up. Essentially, they're persecuting themselves.
Demonstrably destructive? Citation needed. Immoral? To who's standards, that crappy horror book called the bible that so many people think is totally true for no apparent reason?
Protecting your right to discriminate against individuals based on their sexual orientation is oppression.
You have not, nor will you ever be able to, objectively demonstrate that homosexuality, over heterosexuality, is
"demonstrably destructive and immoral".
This concept you worship does not, and should not, have any effect on the lives of decent people.
Kindly fuck off
"The true motivation here is not for marriage equality; the true motivation is to, under penalty of law, ensure that all Americans are compelled to embrace the demonstrably destructive and immoral homosexual lifestyle"
(emphasis added)
'For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance , requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.'
-George Washington
'The Puritans didn't leave England to escape persecution, but to find a country in which they could freely persecute others '
-Gore Vidal
I love the smell of annihilated arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.
You're oppressing me by refusing to let me discriminate against people I don't like.
Yeah, but you're oppressing me by refusing to let me discriminate against people who discriminate against people I don't like.
OK, but you're oppressing me by refusing to let me discriminate against people who discriminate against people who discriminate against people I don't like.
No, no! You're oppressing me by refusing to let me discriminate against people who discriminate against people who discriminate against people who discriminate against people I don't like.
... continue ad infinitum
"Mainly, he notes "our First Amendment rights of free speech and freedom of religious expression."
That means you can't use the government to force other people to follow your religion. As in you can't get married because it's against my religion.
Why do you hate America?
Oh America, thy slogan truly is:
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words WILL TOTALLY ALWAYS HURT ME!"
But here's the truth: Society, laws, government, religion, practically everything is just like a game that someone somewhere took ultra-serious. I simply don't want to play this game anymore when all these whiners who think the game is too fair (and let's face, you do think that, because you want to discriminate, but don't want to be discriminated against).
The game is rigged and we're just trying to make it fun for everyone again, but right now it's still lopsided.
Religions can still discriminate based on race. Rarely interracial couples are turned away from getting married.
If all the ostriches in America would please take their heads out of the sand then maybe people wouldn't get paranoid about things that have a next to zero % chance of happening.
What does have a chance of happening, and this is what the main opponents are really worried about is that over time societal attitudes will diminish the number of people who go to homophobic religious services. The homophobic preachers are afraid this bill will reduce their social influence.
It is all a moot point anyways; any attempt by the government to force relgious institutions to accept and perform gay marriages would clearly be in violation of the 1st amendment...even if the law had no exemptions, any attempt to force religious institutions rto accept gay marriage would end in a legal challenge and the 1st amendment being upheld.
Freedom of expression is not freedom to be right. And the exemption works. If those pastors don´t want to marry people of the same sex or even people of different races or even for some reason, the law is not going to prosecute them in any case.
Indeed, when I married, the first(Catholic)priest didn´t want to celebrate the ceremony because my father-in-law is Greek Orthodox, even though my husband is Catholic(he even proceeded to a very trollish logic on why). Ok, we married with another more tolerant priest and we were even considering marrying in the city council if things got complicated, but the point is, was he "discriminated" when my dad, a very devout Catholic man called him out for his behaviour?, not at all. More if we thought that, surprisingly, from the point of view of the civil law he received no punishment at all.
Confused?
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