Ray Comfort #fundie

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This made me smile, because it's so true. Every "proof" we see of UFO's is blurred.

Proof of God, however, is the opposite. It is vibrant, focused, succinct, absolute, and it comes in four forms:

1. Creation: It is scientifically impossible for Nature to have made itself.
2. Conscience: Every culture, from the beginning of time, has a God-given and society-shaped knowledge of right and wrong.
3. Commandments: God gave us the Ten Commandments (which are confirmed by the conscience) to show us that we need His mercy.
4. Conversion: We can come to know God simply by obeying the gospel.

Condensed from "How to Know God Exists" available at: http://tinyurl.com/lh4x6ag

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old comment by Random Guy

1. Creation: It is scientifically impossible for Nature to have made itself.

Since when? And even accepting that as a given, we have the problem of "What created God?"

2. Conscience: Every culture, from the beginning of time, has a God-given and society-shaped knowledge of right and wrong.

Except that every different culture has a different standard of right and wrong. You'd think they'd all agree if they were all given that by the same God.

3. Commandments: God gave us the Ten Commandments (which are confirmed by the conscience) to show us that we need His mercy.

Any evidence these commandments actually came from a God? As for "conscience," see above.

4. Conversion: We can come to know God simply by obeying the gospel.

There are hundreds of different Christian denominations that all claim to be "obeying the gospel." If they all know God, why are they not doing the same thing?

old comment by John

1.Creation: It is scientifically impossible for Nature to have made itself. - no it's not. We have a perfectly good scientific explanation. You just choose not to believe it - or even listen to it. Besides, even if true, all that would prove is that something supernatural happened some time in the past - not that God exists,is only one thing or has any other powers or interest in humanity.

2. Conscience: Every culture, from the beginning of time, has a God-given and society-shaped knowledge of right and wrong. - They certainly have a society-shaped knowledge (so does your dog and other social animals); but where did the God-given come from?

3. Commandments: God gave us the Ten Commandments (which are confirmed by the conscience) to show us that we need His mercy. - No, some Bronze Age Arabs gave you the Ten Commandments and told you they were from God, and you believed them.

4. Conversion: We can come to know God simply by obeying the gospel. How about obeying the Quran? How about wearing a beanie and abstaining from eating chicken and cheesecake with the same fork? If proof of God is so vibrant, focused, succinct and absolute, how come there are thousands of different religions? Nobody argues about the shape of the Eiffel Tower or the existence of Oprah Winfrey.

old comment by SpukiKitty

UFOs - Seen in the sky, often filmed and photographed, albeit unidentifiable.

God - Big Guy in the sky that no one can see hear, touch or anything, who's merely written about in old texts written by Iron-Age Mid-Easterners. No photos, no video, nothing!

You, know your point makes no sense, right, Bananaman?

If I took your point literally & to heart. I'd just see it as affirming what I believe. The Divine is Pantheistic & Monist. Matter, Psyche & Spirit are a part of the same continuum and thus one and Deity as a separate super-person living in the sky doesn't exist.

Congratulations! You are a NeoPagan! Drop your ChristoFrummerism, Mr. Bananas & extoll our Deity, NATURE! So Mote It Be!

Oh, look...Bananaman just fainted from the horror....

old comment by Nemo

No, Ray. The conscience only "confirms" those of the Ten Commandments which can be derived naturally from empathy. We are disgusted by killing and theft because we wouldn't want somebody else to do it to us. I have no problem blaspheming any of the gods proposed to exist. Yours is just the one that is the most fun, largely because of people like you. I work on Saturday without a twinge of guilt, and seeing as how I could use a little extra money, I'd feel kinda bad if I went several weekends without working. Funny how your good person test never mentions THAT commandment, eh Ray? Also, I do covet, and there's nothing wrong with that. I experience lust and hatred, and quite frankly, I feel no guilt over that. And I have no problem not worshipping your deity, along with the hundreds of others.

So, Ray, your entire argument fails.

old comment by Philbert McAdamia

I have to agree - in all of the photos I've seen of God, there's no blurring. Crystal clear.

@Professor von SCIENCE!!!
When they get Jesus and bigfoot riding a flying saucer then we'll talk.

Ya know...if somebody was to make a statue like that, millions of fundies would believe it was a true depiction. They would worship it as though it was a golden calf. Makes me wonder about the saddled triceratops in the Creation Museum - did the Hambone invent that one on his own, or did some enterprising sculptor sell him on it, creating a 3-D Poe? Hmm.

@Swede
1. Nature "makes itself" each and every year, dumbass.

Yeah, Easter, duh. No, wait, that's pagan.
No wait, I mean - uh, Jesus.
No wait - - - uh, lemme get back atcha...

old comment by TimeToTurn

Creation: It is scientifically impossible for Nature to have made itself.

Here is really the gist of it: Ray is so determined to prove God's existence that he will blatantly ignore what actual scientists (and the kicker--scientific evidence!) have to say about it.

Conscience: Every culture, from the beginning of time, has a God-given and society-shaped knowledge of right and wrong.

Bullshit. Every culture has a different view of what's right and wrong, and anthropologists can easily scientifically explain that. But if you won't let scientists tell you why you're wrong, I guess you won't let anthropologists either.

Commandments: God gave us the Ten Commandments (which are confirmed by the conscience) to show us that we need His mercy.

Muhammad gave us the Koran to show we need Allah's message.

And the Ten Commandments aren't confirmed by conscience. I don't feel anything wrong when I say "God" or "Goddammit all to hell!" I don't feel anything wrong when I disagree with my parents and express that. I don't feel anything wrong with my pantheist belief and my nonbelief in God. I don't feel anything wrong when I treat Sunday (or Saturday) like any other day. I don't feel anything wrong when I tell a necessary lie. And you know what, most people, particularly those from a non-Christian culture, don't either.

Conversion: We can come to know God simply by obeying the gospel.

Yes, and reading the Bhagavad Gita can help you know Krishna and thus proves that Hinduism is the true religion.

old comment by Microraptor

Non sequitur!+

1. Argumentum ad ignorantiam. Also, even if the universe could not have come into existence naturally, it still would not mean that the ultimate reason is the God of Fundamentalist Christianity.
2. AaI. Morality evolved because we are social animals, not God-given. Note that "society-shaped" seems to contradict this instinctive grasp of morality.
3. Of cause, most commandments are truisms found in most moral codices, with additional theology specific to Judaism. Does Ray Comfort think that any human legislator could only create laws that go against his sense of morality?
4. What is that supposed to mean? "You can self-indoctrinate"? Petitio principia?

old comment by Stronius

1. Quantum physics. We've seen tiny, subatomic particles actually creating themselves, being in multiple places at once, and generally defying most known conventional laws of physics. Whose to say that the entire universe, given enough energy (such as would be provided in pre big bang conditions) couldn't follow such strange principles?

2. Then how come you and your ilk are always harping on any culture that isn't white, Protestant Christianity, calling them immoral heathens? Either the Muslims are just as moral as you, or your god is really fucking terrible at giving people conscience and morality. Choose carefully.

3. And the Chaos Gods gave us the universal truths of life, that we are depraved, violent beings who always serve them, whether willingly or unknowingly. And the Chaos Gods don't need any crummy stone tablets to do it, either. What's your point?

4. We can come to know Slaanesh, on a personal and erotic level, by having bombastic orgies with all manner of kinky folk. And I'll bet that way of "coming" to God is a lot more enjoyable than reading from some dusty old books full of stupidity, hatred and bigotry. I'll take six-ways with daemonettes any day.

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