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I still say men cannot be properly raped. Unless they're in prison. And most of those douchebag criminals deserve it.

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old comment by The WHAM Burglar

This seems to be a troll but,I could be wrong.

On one hand the statement expresses misandry and general hatred towards a specifically defined group of people. Typical sentiment expressed by WMDkitty. On the other, the sentence structure is completely different that what I had observed from WMDkitty:

I have yet to observe WMD beginning a sentence with “And”

Usually incomplete sentences are ended with “”

Period usage seem different than what patterns had seen before, normally I wold expect something along the lines of:

“I still say men cannot be properly raped, unless they're in prison.”

I don't know, something is not right here.

old comment by Swede

Good to know that guys never ever get a stiffy when they don't mean to, that they are never ever forced to hide their midsection because the "lower head" has acted on its own.
How nice it must be to be in total and utter control of all functions in that region.
I guess the "little guy" is never ever tired before they are, either.

Good thing also that there aren't any drugs that can make the member hard if injected into it. No rings to place on the root to keep the blood in place for longer.

In Sweden a rape does not have to be consummated to be considered a rape. The crime is the forcing of sex in any shape or form on an unwilling person.

old comment by Xotan

I could be argued that rape need not be the result of force... What about the offering of a carrot (no pun intended) that is just too tempting to refuse - a lot of money, social advantage, business arrangements and such. That may not be physical and forced rape, but it is the mental psychological destruction of a person's will to the extent that they will go against their natural inclination to gain advantage that is on offer if they surrender to a sexual encounter with person they would not want to entertain in other circumstances. It is a kind of 'rape'. And in the case of the abuses by clergy such mental force did frequently lead to rape in a more conventional sense.

old comment by Chamale

@1102524: That sort of mentality is why men don't usually report their own rapes. It happens, and I read a report (can't find it, sorry) that said in most rapes, the victims are men.

Also, to everyone else here: Mirror, mirror. I remember seeing plenty of jokes about Kent Hovind getting raped in prison - hell, even in this comment thread.

Hopefully, this comment wasn't made by the real WMDKitty. Is there a way to search FSTDT for comments by specific posters?

EDIT: OK, just figured out the "search" function. I noticed that the original comment by WMDKitty was made more than a year ago. I think we should wait for her to come into this thread and defend herself.

old comment by Gloria

To the anonymous commentor who has been making an idiot of himself in this thread. You have never been raped. You probably never will be raped. You have also done no research on this subject, or if you have you have refused to take it seriously, which is, if possible, stupider. Your only source for your ignorant babling about "sucking it up" and "being a man" is your own relatively empty head, which does not constitute adequate source material for how to suck your thumb, much less comment on rape. If, and when, you are ever raped, which I hope you never are, you can come here and tell us how you sucked it up and got over it, because otherwise you could not call yourself a man. In the meantime, get off the internet.

old comment by Murdin

@Cagoguy

Oh, I know this. Well, at least under my definition of feminism as well as yours.

This kind of idea, that men can't be raped by a woman, is linked to either exacerbated machismo ("true men are too badass to be raped, they can take the eventual trauma by themselves") or violent misandrism disguised as feminism ("men are too pervert to be really raped, their sex-obsessed mind can't be traumatised by sex in the same way women are").

Since WMDKitty repeated this kind of statement more than once, "not thinking about it" isn't a viable excuse, and her reason to deny female-on-male rape is intimately linked to either sexual prejudice.

Coming from her, I kinda doubt this is machismo.

old comment by A'mael

@ Xotan

"I could be argued that rape need not be the result of force... What about the offering of a carrot (no pun intended) that is just too tempting to refuse - a lot of money, social advantage, business arrangements and such. That may not be physical and forced rape, but it is the mental psychological destruction of a person's will to the extent that they will go against their natural inclination to gain advantage that is on offer if they surrender to a sexual encounter with person they would not want to entertain in other circumstances. It is a kind of 'rape'. And in the case of the abuses by clergy such mental force did frequently lead to rape in a more conventional sense."

This is not rape, it is coercion and/or assault, which carry their own definitions, applicable defenses, and punishments under the law (in the legal systems with which I am somewhat familiar - I can't speak to all of them, obviously). Forcible physical rape would be added as a separate charge, were it to happen as well.

old comment by The L

I'm sorry, Kitty, but you did kinda cross the line here. I think a lot of people are being very insensitive with the whole "lol Kent Hovind prisonrape" jokes, too, but this is about the fact that, when you said this, you did cross the line.

Besides, if men couldn't be raped, "reverse-rape" wouldn't be a fetish to begin with. (Seriously, the sheer amount of "reverse-rape" porn out there is staggering. It's a surprisingly popular fetish.) Yes, people's bodies respond in a certain way to sexual stimulation. But if their minds and bodies don't both "want it," it's rape. Period.

And to the anonymous "suck it up and be a man" asshole, get your mind around this one. When I lost my virginity, neither I nor my then-partner even really wanted it. Both of us thought the other was expecting sex, so we delivered. Afterwards, both of us admitted that it hadn't been very good, because we both felt coerced. He ejaculated--but that doesn't mean shit, as the numerous scientific links by other commenters have pointed out.

And yes, the whole relationship between me and this young man was so horribly dysfunctional, that bad sex was the least of our problems. But it still illustrates the whole "non-consensual ejaculation" thing nicely.

old comment by DevilsChaplain

@#1102524

I never saw this post so it was never addressed:

"Ok it may be possible in the technical sense but it still isn't the same."
How?

"If a woman 'raped' me, I wouldn't cry about it or call the cops. I would be a man, and suck it up."
Sure, whatever you say you misogynistic pig--somehow I doubt that.

"Like I said, I'm not a feminist."
Clearly.

"There is a way that a man should act, and that includes not acting like a 'victim' just because you got a free lay."
More rape apology and reinforcement of rigid, artificial gender roles.

"I saw an episode of Cops where some guy called the police because his wife hit him. I mean, can he honestly call himself a man?"
Yes. Domestic violence is domestic violence.

"Same thing with a guy being 'raped'."
Yes exactly: rape is rape and domestic violence is domestic violence. Fuck you.

old comment by A fag

Man, this reminds me of an argument I had with a girl in high school which went like this:

Her: Guys can't be raped because they all want to have sex with everyone all the time.
Me and several other guys: Uh, no, that's wrong.
Her: Well it can't be wrong because it's just my ~OPINION~

Omg I wanted to punch something. How fucking dense can you be.

Rape is nonconsensual sex. That's the definition. If I don't want to engage in sexual activity, and someone forces it upon me anyway, THAT IS RAPE. Whether the perpetrator has a vagina or a penis, and whether the victim has a penis or a vagina, doesn't fucking matter. If you don't want to have sex and are forced to anyway, that. Is. Rape.

I don't really see how this quote is fundie, though. Stupid, yes. Fundie, no.

old comment by Swede

I AM a feminist. To me that means that men and women should have equal possibilities and equal responsibilities in society. Women should be able to have a career and earn about as much as men (when doing the same job), and men should be able to be sensitive and gentle, have as much parental leave as women, cry when they are sad, etc.
A strong (confident) man can allow himself to be vulnerable, a weak (insecure) man will pretend to always be strong.

Men shouldn't help women carry things because women are tiny little helpless things, but because they are carrying lots of things and could use some assistance. We could all do well to be polite to each other. For example holding up doors for the person behind us (regardless of gender). The guys who think they are behaving "equally", when they slam the door in a womans face, they are being rude, plain and simple.

Sorry for ranting.

old comment by Tom S. Fox

This is what she wrote back:

Yeah, because opinions don't ever change, and people NEVER mellow out.... </sarcasm>

I admit that I'm a bitter angry woman, with good reason to be bitter and angry, and I'm in therapy for it. Abuse-related PTSD is a real bitch, and let's just say I'm not exactly a fan of the Y-chromosome at this point. I love men, there are some who've earned my trust and respect, but as a whole -- irrational as it is -- the entire male gender is, on a near-instinctual level, perceived as a threat. (Like I said, it's not rational, I hate it, it's an artifact of the abuse, and I'm working on my issues.)

I think that, the issue of male rape is kind of a grey area to me, though LEGALLY, if he says no, or isn't capable of giving consent (drunk/drugged), or is held at knife- or gunpoint, or what have you, it's rape, and I'll leave it at that.

old comment by Caretaker

@ Priestling

The subject of the quote (rape apology) is one that triggered bad memories for some of the commenters. I'm not a fan of the 'DIAF' attitude, but I can understand why some would use it, and actually, because so many of us know WMDKitty as a regular, the whole comments thread is unusually light.

To forgive the quote because you know of Kitty's issues while simultaneously calling others harsh because you don't know their issues is fairly one-sided.

As for the quote itself -- I've had problems with some things Kitty has said in the past, so I'm not surprised that she was quoted. I do appreciate her response to being quoted, though, and I think it gives me a bit more understanding on the subject. It also makes me wonder why she got quoted like a year later o-O

This said, it's not a good idea to say these kinds of things on a board that targets intolerance. We all have our baggage, but if we're rationally aware that our issues are interfering with our judgement on a topic, I think it might be better not to weigh in.

</2p>

old comment by Baked Goods

I still say men cannot be properly raped.

So err... is "improper rape" better, or worse?

And most of those douchebag criminals deserve it.

What about the female prisoners? Do they deserve getting raped as well?

Also, where should we draw the line, to determine which crimes are severe enough, for rape to be a justifiable punishment? Additionally, what steps must be taken to ensure that your devised criteria is followed by the potential rapists, so that they only rape the prisoners that were deemed "rape-able" by you?

@anon-e-moose

I'm sorry but why are you under the impression that "rape", in any shape or form, is somehow laughable or amusing? It really isn't.

old comment by Elisa

"I saw an episode of Cops where some guy called the police because his wife hit him. I mean, can he honestly call himself a man?"

...My neighbor's wife hit him in the head with the backside of an axe. Do you really think a man can "suck it up" if he's bleeding profusely and could have a fractured skull?

Domestic violence happens everywhere, women hitting their husbands is as much of a big deal as a husband hitting his wife. In theory, if I was a violent housewife (not married or violent in reality), I could make my husband cry since I'm stronger than your average man. You try fighting a woman who can lift an 80 kg / 176 lbs person off the ground.

PS. Also, you may have never heard of this, but concussions can cause emotional symptoms if your brain functions are affected. This includes, but isn't limited to, uncontrollable, inexplainable crying. Try telling a crying man with a concussion to "man it up" and see how far you can get. He isn't coherent.

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