Do workers really need to be paid?
It is nothing more than a subversive form of communism and the redistribution of wealth. CEOs have no moral obligation to pay their employees; minimum wages are just a socialist/big government way of punishing corporations. Most workers already have too many benefits, like set hours and OSHA guidelines. Only in a truly free society can CEOs keep their OWN money for THEMSELVES, the way it should be.
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Then no one would have any incentive to work, fuck stick.
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Then the workers are not obligated to work, either.
Yeah, but CEOs wouldn't have any money, because after all, do people really need to pay for products and services?
CEOs have no moral obligation to pay their employees? Employees have no moral obligation to work, then. Also, I have no obligation to pay for this here ham sandwich. Or sportscar. Or my college. It's MY money, after all.
This guy could be trolling now but he's not a troll. He's not trying to kill one of the most basic principles of capitalism, I hope, he's clumsily trying to explain why he opposes to a raise in the minimum wage that has recently been aproved. He thinks that workers have enough benefits and that, a raise in the wage is damaging to the CEO's and, consequently, on the general wellfare.
The thing is about workers, is that if you don't pay them, they don't show up for work.
No way is this serious! This guy can not seriously be advocating national slavery and creating a system where the efforts of workers benefit only a single CEO!
No pay = no workers
Yes, workers do need to be paid. Otherwise, that CEO will soon be put out of business because no one could afford to buy whatever he's selling. It ain't rocket science. It ain't even Econ 101. It's just common sense.
This is not a troll. He's arguing about the rise of minimum wage, that's why he's arguing about "CEO's don't have moral obligation to pay their employees". He's not saying that they shouldn't be paid at all, but that they shouldn't be guaranteed a minimum income. Of course, he's also wrong in this case.
... what?
Written too coherently not to be a troll.
If you never paid your workers, you'd never get any work done. No phone calls made, no accounts serviced, no widgets manufactured. Because no one will do the work for zero pay. You don't need to do a study to find that statistic out.
yeah, everyone should be a fucking SLAVE, and get JACK SHIT in return.
So.....voluntary slavery then? You decry communism, but such a model wouldn't exactly be plausible in free market capitalism either. Who the fuck would work for nothing?
This must be have been posted by a thirteen year old who has never held a job and has no clue how the economy works.
Hey! While you're not paying your employees, you might as well do away with currency all together. Everyone could work for the greater good, rather then personal gain. Oh, wait, that's socialism.
Does this fundie even have a clue what "Free Market Economics" means?
Being employed = Trade of work in exchange for money. We are all participants in markets.
An employer offers me no money? Sorry, no deal. Do your work for yourself. The only way to get me to work unpaid would be to force me to do so. And where was this done? Yep, in communist russia, where the economy was strongly dependent on forced labor in the gulag.
And I'd like to remind of Henry Fords wisdom, who paid his workers well. He knew that he must, because it's them who buy his products. When the people have no money, no one can buy the products. And thats something that todays CEOs obviously didn't understand.
An employer offers me no money? Sorry, no deal. Do your work for yourself. The only way to get me to work unpaid would be to force me to do so.
On the contrary, Anon. The deal is done, for you, me, and everyone else in the western world who isn't a top-level executive. The whole point of capitalism, in a free market or elsewhere, is to get many people like you and me to do some of our work unpaid (and ideally to make the whole economic system so incomprehensibly convoluted and abstract that we don't even realise this unless we really think hard and carefully about it), not by force of arms so much as force of circumstance, so that the few people we have no choice but to work for can, by reason of owning the means of production we cannot afford ourselves and without which we cannot be competitive enough to work viably in the free market, take the remainder and give it to themselves for doing almost no work at all, indefinitely.
"Most workers already have too many benefits, like set hours and OSHA guidelines"
This person needs to be whacked round the head with a hardback copy of Das Kapital .
Even if they're a poe.
"When the people have no money, no one can buy the products. And thats something that todays CEOs obviously didn't understand."
This is true, but the problem is it's more advantegous to me as a CEO for the OTHER CEOs to pay their workers a decent wage...
The CEOs wouldn't have any money if it wasn't for the workers, dumbass!
Workers didn't just get those benefits out of the kindness of the CEOs hearts, ya know; people fought and died for those benefits.
Even I, as one of the fortunate ones who was able to turn a hobby into a job and truly loves what he does, would not do it for free. I might, if I was a billionaire who doesn't need the money, but I'm not.
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