Whether we use a medical form of birth control, or Early Withdrawal, or use a calendar to try to avoid conception....it's all the same. It says to God, "I want to be in control of this because I don't trust You to make a wise decision in this area.....so here's a little help!"
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Whether we quit smoking, or refuse to drink poison, or install a smoke detector ... it's all the same. It says to God, "I want to be in control of this because I don't trust You to make a wise decision in this area.....so here's a little help!"
And of course, poor, weak God would be totally foiled by birth control.
And so the poor can end up with 15 children, when they can barely afford one. That does everybody a fat lot of good - particularly the children.
Given God's track record, I'd take a little insurance.
Then why bother doing anything at all? Why not let God decide every single little detail in your life?
Or alternately, stop annoying the Almighty One with your little annoyances. He's trying to get around to that whole World Peace thing for 6000 years but you people keep bothering him!
"Pray to God but stear clear of the rocks."
Old Indian proverb. Oh, wait, they are godless heathens.
I certainly wouldn't trust God because without using birth control I'd probably have a houseful of kids I couldn't afford to feed.
Oh wait, it's the Quiverfull people. I wonder how many of them get government assistance or church charity to take care of their 15 kids?
"or use a calendar to try to avoid contraception..."
At first I was confused, because I thought Christians were supportive of natural family planning instead of alternate methods of birth control, but then I saw that it was the Quiverfull people and it all made sense. In a non-sensical kind of way.
You people are crazy and need to get in touch with reality.
There's that story about the man who drowned despite having a jeep, a boat, and a helicopter coming to try to save him from the on-coming flood because he believe God will save him.
God's response: "I sent a jeep, a boat, and a helicopter!"
"Guide us God, we yr robots!"
So... have you met the "free will" crowd? They have wonderful theories as to why your imaginary sky fairy never intervenes.
I've (sort of) trusted in God for years now. No babies whatsoever... Is he saying I would be a bad parent? But Michael Pearl (or Whatshisname, who like to beat his kids with implements) is a good parent? And the woman in the Netherlands or Belgium, who killed her newborn kids and hid them in suitcases in the attic, she is also a good parent?
Oh Lord, I applaud you! You and I are sooo much alike, basking in the glory of God! My little girl Bailey is definitely a breath of homeschooled freshness. Recently, at the age of 14, she has given us another beautiful grandchild! It's her third, and we couldn't be more proud of her for allowing the Lord's seed to live in her womb! Nothing made me prouder than when I walked in her room, to find her on her knees in front of her father, her face covered in the glory of the Lord! Keep up the good work, and don't let Satan get hold of your family. Our well-adjusted daughter is living proof of the power of Christ!
Yeah. This is why when I drive, I don't use a steering wheel or brake. Who am I to want to control the situation and not trust God to make a wise decision about which direction I will accelerate in? It's incredibly egotistic to do otherwise. All of you pious so-called Christians who don't trust your Lord and Savior enough to get you where you need to go without your attempting to micromanage His plan with your constant striving for control by clutching at the wheel bring shame to your faith. Let Jesus take the wheel!
If God hates birth control so much, why doesn't he do something about it? Why not send lightning bolts down to destroy all the pharmacies that sell birth control pills and condoms, or magic all the contraceptives out of existence? Or maybe even descend from heaven and tell everyone, "Hi, I'm God and I hate birth control. Stop using it or I'll smite thee."
But nope. Nothing. There are two possibilities we can draw from this:
1. God doesn't really hate birth control.
@ rubber chicken #1191681:
[I bet that your church has a lightning conductor though.]
LOL! You just made me do a spit-take Spot on!
That quote reminds me of another thing I read about how a guy was stranded on the roof of his flooded house, he refused all kinds of rescue because he wanted God himself to save him.
Not sure how it applies to this quiverfull quote, but if you think you can blindly put every choice into the hands of a deity that may or may not exist, that's asking for disaster.
Dear Stacy,
People as stupid as you shouldn't be allowed to breed (actually, i don't believe that, but it feels good to say it). Conception is an entirely natural process which is fully and comprehensivley explained by medical science. There is NO PART of conception that requires God, and simply because you don't understand it is no excuse for lazy "godidit" nonsense. That its an entirely natural process is why we can have contraception in the first place, you stupid fucking moron.
Whether we get flu vaccinations or just stay at home to avoid contact with people....it's all the same. It says to God, "I want to be in control of this because I don't trust You to make a wise decision in this area.....so here's a little help!"
Whether we keep our eyes on the road or avoid driving all together....it's all the same. It says to God, "I want to be in control of this because I don't trust You to make a wise decision in this area.....so here's a little help!"
She makes this too easy.
Whether we use antibiotics, or Homeopathy, or Chiropractors....it's all the same. It says to God, "I want to be in control of this because I don't trust You to make a wise decision in this area.....so here's a little help!"
"Early Withdrawal" sounds more like it has something to do with a bank or something, not, you know, pulling out.
@dionysus Thanks for that mental image, I nearly choked on my lunch.
God loves me even though I'm always abusing Him. I know this because He's made some very wise decisions on my behalf and I'm father to two lovely children who are both pleasant, helpful, humane, and hard working. Both my children are atheists though its not particularly much of a big deal to them. Yet some religious people I know have had terrible trouble with their children. I wonder why God doesn't make wise decisions on their behalf? Could be He's an arsehole.
Course, I can't really abuse something that doesn't exist. I think I'll allow myself a little SCOL (smug chuckle out loud).
@shadkat
"Early Withdrawal" sounds more like it has something to do with a bank or something, not, you know, pulling out.
Either way, there's a substantial penalty for early withdrawal.
Walk down the street blindfolded into oncoming traffic.
God will protect you by helping you to avoid the vehicles speeding past.
Eyes fail to compare to His will and guidance, y'know.
AAACCK!!!
Even for a flat-footed Bible Literalist, this is over-the-top. These folks appear to have forgotten the Biblical account of Jesus in the wilderness, where Satan wants Jesus to jump off the precipice b/c the angels will catch him and all that. Jesus' response? "Thou shall not TEMPT (emphasis mine) the LORD..."
Maybe this will shut the "God will provide" (more likely church charities or taxpayers) crowd up, but somehow I doubt it.
BTW, Stacy et al. at QF, do you believe that brains are God-given? If so, shouldn't we use them?
You're absolutely right, Stacy. I don't trust God when it comes to contraception. I don't trust God when it comes to my sex life in general. Aw, heck. I wouldn't trust your 'God' with any facet of my life whatsoever!
Stacy McDonald, you realize that argument also applies to using hydrogen peroxide on a wound, wearing your eyeglasses so that you can see to drive, and putting batteries in your smoke detector, right, you dumb fucking cow?
Then what about abstinence, the most effective form of contraception on the market?
IF YOUR PENIS IS NOT IN A VAGINA AT ALL TIMES, YOU DON'T TRUST GOD.
Seriously, though, what about free will? We decide when we want to do other things, why not when we want to have children?
Man, even Bronze Age property wives shake their heads at this. But then, they had several other wives to compete with for limited resources.
That said, this dame's ready to go.
Condoms, vasetomy and other remedies...
As to God, try walking across a motorway/Freeway without looking and see how far God's love really extends in terms of protecting you.
Yeah, it's just silly to be in control of your own body. Just fuck when you feel like it, or whenever you think it's your "duty" to do so, and let god sort it out. Or what they really mean is for women to fuck with their husband whenever he wants...
I feel for the women who get sucked into this. It's a horrible way to live.
No; what it says is "I do not want to have children right now in my life but would still like to enjoy this sexual intercourse."
And really, is that how easy it is to thwart god? With a condom?
I would trust a condom infinitely more than God to make a wise decision in that area, not in the least because I can at least be sure that condoms exist.
And by the way, you know that early withdrawal (otherwise known as coitus interruptus) doesn't prevent pregnancy, right? And why did you capitalize "Early Withdrawal"?
Or it says "god more that likely doesn't exist so that is a non issue, but I want to be responsible and wrap up so I don't get a disease or impregnate a girl.
You silly christians. Not everyone believes in your silly god, so we wrap up, cause it is the smart thing to do.
So then why do you need sex? I mean Mary had Jesus without even having a man, so surely if God wanted you to have more kids than you do teeth, you'd be splitting like an amoeba, wouldn't you?
So you're saying you believe a God who can make a 90-year-old woman pregnant with no medical intervention can't deal with the power of the almighty condom, which fails about 2% of the time even with perfect use.
@Neith
So when, say, the Duggars plot Michelle's fertile times on the calendar in order TO conceive...what does that say? That says they don't trust God, right?
You heard it here first, folks: People like the Duggars don't trust God to plan the size of their family.
Don't you say that to God every time you visit a doctor or take any type of medicine? Or even when you choose to eat something just because its healthy? Or when you exercise? Or how about when you go to work to make money to buy things, because you obviously don't trust God enough to supply your needs.
Yes..because birth control is much stronger than god.
I can rip a condom by accident, and Im not even omnipotent.
God is omnipotent and cant even manage a pin hole.
In spite of the homophobic rhetoric that comes out of the Vatican all the time, the insistence that 'birth control is against God' is one of the most damaging (and borderline evil) stories being perpetuated by the Pope. Mostly because of AIDs and STDs in developing countries, but also because of poor people raising kids they can't afford to feed properly or give a decent education.
Apart from the fact that it was God who made women unfertile some days and fertile others, I wonder, is abstinence a sin too, according to her logic?
Smoke detectors.
When you use those, are you also telling God "I don't trust you to make a wise decision in this area?"
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