Finally I know you believe Conservatives are heartless intolorant morons but we stand on our convictions and we live our lives on a principle that every life has value and that includes BABIES NOT FETUSES that have the God given right to live life and optain the will he has in the future for them. Instead of spending so much time and effort on murdering babies why don't you spend time funding cancer research and funding for the well being of those little warriors " KIDS " with cancer who's only wish is to get better for MOMMY AND DADDY so they won't be sad. Such selflessness inside the hearts of these little warriors. This where the Abortion funding and I'd even say AIDS FUNDING should be used. Aids is preventable through condoms and wiser choices when it comes to sex. I also know all the comebacks you'll come with such as " oh so they got aids from gay well the deserve to die " No not at all but Aids unlike Cancer is preventable and thats why Cancer deserves more funding.
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Look here David, I'll say this nice and clear for you. Your supposed deity of choice is OMNIPOTENT . If he doesn't like abortion he should damned well do something miraculous such as having every attempt at it fail no matter the technique used.
As for us doing something useful like funding research, once again, your deity is OMNIPOTENT . Let him get off his lazy ass and do some fucking thing that's useful for once like curing all the diseases that HE CREATED in the first place.
"Instead of spending so much time and effort on murdering babies why don't you spend time funding cancer research and funding for the well being of those little warriors " KIDS " with cancer who's only wish is to get better for MOMMY AND DADDY so they won't be sad. Such selflessness inside the hearts of these little warriors."
Maybe I'm just too darn cynical, but I'd think the little kids would also like to not die for themselves, too.
Well, I'll agree that "BABIES NOT FETUSES [sic]" have a right to life. No argument there. The problem comes in where people define it as a "baby" when it isn't yet -- which is what I suspect my namesake here is doing. (There are times I really hate having such a common name -- such as right now. Right, mad dog -- "slandered by association," indeed!)
I have no problem with funding cancer research, or AIDS research for that matter; but it mystifies me that this guy expects NON-fundies to be the ones to write off AIDS as a gay disease! As they say in the cartoons: "Whahappen?" Fundies are usually the ones making that claim, not fighting it (or projecting it)! I'm at least glad to see that this guy admits that condoms are useful in preventing spread of the disease; however, it is spread by other means as well, not all of them entirely voluntary, so it certainly is no good to just say, "It's your own fault if you catch it, so we're not going to try to cure it." AIDS sufferers, like those of any other disease (including cancer), deserve our best efforts to find a cure. Or are you also going to tell people with lung cancer that they don't deserve our help because they smoked, or tell people with skin cancer that they don't deserve our help because they spent too much time tanning? Don't moralistically prejudge the reasons for diseases. The primary concern is finding ways to prevent and cure them, ALL of them.
Finally, one small comment: "Abortion funding"? Does this guy think that there is some foundation for the performance of abortions, doing fund drives to sponsor more abortions, setting progressively higher-number goals each year? That's morbid, twisted, and absolutely WRONG. Nothing could be further from the truth of the situation, and it is a sick caricature to imply such a mischaracterization of it. Abortion is a case-by-case MEDICAL issue and should be treated as such, and nobody has any business condemning it as a procedure any more than of condemning chemotherapy across the board.
~David D.G.
First, let me say that I agree with you that people should not murder babies and that fetuses are not babies. I'm glad we agree on that.
Second, I bet most kids with cancer have wishes other than to "get better for MOMMY AND DADDY."
Third, not all AIDS is preventable. Rape victims can get AIDS. Hemohiliacs can get AIDS. Medical workers and other care-givers can get AIDS. And, condoms are great but they are no 100% protection from STDs.
Last, Not all cancer is unpreventable. We know that certain choices significantly raise one's risk of cancer, such as smoking, over-exposure to the sun or exposure to certain environmental toxins.
Wise up, Butthead. Not everything is black & white.
<We know that certain choices significantly raise one's risk of cancer, such as smoking, over-exposure to the sun or exposure to certain environmental toxins.>
Do those toxins include this shit spewing from Antidavid's mouth?
First, let me say that I agree with you that people should not murder babies and that fetuses are not babies.
The sensible people agree with both of you on the first, and with just you on the second. AntiDavid (Divad?) apparently thinks the word "fetus" was invented by the "pro-abortion lobby" of his fever dreams to convince themselves (or, rather, <i>our</i>selves, since he's talking about you and me here) that we're not in favor of murdering a pre-born baby.
For a political "movement" that prides itself on smaller government, laissez-faire economics and so on, it must really rot your ass to have voted for the biggest expander of government since the second world war! Jayzus, you must be pissed! I know I am, and I don't even live in your country!
Maybe the churches should give up the millions and fudn cancer. Also, its the conservatives that think people with Aids deserve to die usually, we think everyone deserves to live. Wow, this guy is mixed up.
Instead of spending so much time and effort on murdering babies why don't you spend time funding cancer research and funding for the well being of those little warriors
Abortions are paid by the individual and therefore bring money into the hospital. The hospital can use the extra money to cure people and maybe fund a few research projects on aids/cancer.
And there is some wisdom shining trough the rubble that is AntiDavi's post. Unfortunatly I doubt that it is all intended to be there.
@Captain Slack
AntiDavid (Divad?) apparently thinks the word "fetus" was invented by the "pro-abortion lobby" of his fever dreams to convince themselves (or, rather, our selves, since he's talking about you and me here) that we're not in favor of murdering a pre-born baby.
Everyone knows sex is a magical ritual which at its climax summons into being a fully-formed yet perfectly minuscule baby, gradually expanding until it is ready for entry into the world. Miscarriages, birth defects, etc. occur when the ritual is performed incorrectly.
<Everyone knows sex is a magical ritual which at its climax summons into being a fully-formed yet perfectly minuscule baby, gradually expanding until it is ready for entry into the world. Miscarriages, birth defects, etc. occur when the ritual is performed incorrectly.>
But if sex is magic, that means it's satanic; and thus, babies are demons summoned from the depths of hell! Oh no! Antidavid, I'm afraid the only way to save your soul is to never ever reproduce! Your salvation depends on it...
As another individual named David, I am offended by the existence of this wankstain. Now that that's out of the way, on to the post...
"Finally I know you believe Conservatives are heartless intolorant morons"
Not all of you. Just the vast majority. Not to worry, though, you seem to be in good company with the vast majority of liberals and moderates.
"but we stand on our convictions and we live our lives on a principle that every life has value"
See... I think that people who contribute nothing to the world except boundless ignorance and stupidity, such as yourself, really don't have any value. Except, perhaps, as a warning to others. This does not mitigate your rights, obviously, but it does not make you any less worthless.
"and that includes BABIES NOT FETUSES"
Indeed. Babies, not fetuses.
"that have the God given right to live life and optain the will he has in the future for them."
I... don't think Optimus Prime was ever a baby. I'm not sure that's what you were talking about, but I can't figure out any other meaning for "optain".
"Instead of spending so much time and effort on murdering babies"
Funny. I don't spend any time or effort murdering babies. You aren't doing a very good job of failing to perpetuate the stereotype of conservatives as heartless, intolerant morons.
"why don't you spend time funding cancer research and funding for the well being of those little warriors " KIDS " with cancer who's only wish is to get better for MOMMY AND DADDY so they won't be sad."
You know, while liberals such as myself fight for funding for the NIH, NSF, NEA, and other worthwhile organizations, including the ones doing EXACTLY FUCKING THAT, pricks like you are fighting to increase politicians salaries, donating money to churches (think any of that goes to scientific research?), and increasing the already enormously bloated budget of the U.S. military. Cocksucker.
"Such selflessness inside the hearts of these little warriors. This where the Abortion funding and I'd even say AIDS FUNDING should be used."
You know, perhaps if we used some of the $400 BILLION that goes to the pentagon each year, then instead of taking away some of the paltry sum that goes to AIDS research, we could take away some budget that isn't being used well, and actually improve things.
"Aids is preventable through condoms and wiser choices when it comes to sex."
To some degree.
"I also know all the comebacks you'll come with such as " oh so they got aids from gay well the deserve to die " No not at all but Aids unlike Cancer is preventable and thats why Cancer deserves more funding."
Cancer is, to a large degree, preventable. AIDS is not entirely preventable. Someone needs to leave the Twilight Zone, and come back to reality, where things aren't just black and white.
Ignored by the fundies is the fact that infants can be exposed to HIV in utero. However, this does not mean that all of these infants will develop HIV.
Treating HIV-positive infants with the same drugs used to treat AIDS patients seems to prevent the infection of the child with HIV. Successful sero-conversion (absence of indication of HIV virus) after treatment has risen from an untreated conversion rate of 30%-40% ten years ago to almost 80% when treatment is used. As said earlier, HIV affects many people beyond the gay community.
I'm having that urge to put my head in the sand again...
Wouldn't it be more constructive to put that moron's head through a brick wall?
And yeah, antiDavid (the Goliath of stupidity?), how about redirecting even one tenth of the tithe paid to the priests of the sky fairy to actually useful endeavours? (and before you start braying about how it all goes to charity, read a bit about Mother Theresa's not-so-bright side...) Military budget cuts would also help, of course, but simply getting rid of the tax-exemptions given to churches and religious or supposed so groups should allow to fund quite some labs...
granted children with cancer are heartbreaking. no child should have to go through that. however....
a) most of them want to get better for themselves too. if only so the chemo would stop.
b) what about children with aids? should they just die because someone donated contaminated blood or because their parents had it? (and just because it doesn't happen much in north america does not mean it doesn't happen)
But AIDS is as yet incurable, while many Cancers are. Maybe it is more preventable, but it doesn't change the fact that people are still dying from it. What you're saying IS the equivalent of "Well they fucked up, they deserve it" in spite of you decrying the statement.
Finally, you have your options. Support abortion, or support education of safer sex methods. You can't have it both ways.
"Aids is preventable through condoms"
Fundies? With good ideas?
It's moar likely than you think.
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"Instead of spending so much time and effort on murdering babies why don't you spend time funding cancer research and funding for the well being of those little warriors " KIDS " with cancer who's only wish is to get better for MOMMY AND DADDY so they won't be sad."
Shouldn't a better reason for kids to be cured of cancer be, you know, THAT THEY BE CURED?
"I also know all the comebacks you'll come with such as " oh so they got aids from gay well the deserve to die ""
I'm not sure this guy knows all the comebacks. Or all the sentence structures.
Confused?
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