Allow me to reiterate what I said the FIRST time in response to this message as I feel it's good enough without me re-writing it:
"Stürmen
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2007-Aug-19 12:57 A
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Allow me to correct you a bit alright? As one religious person to another.
Hopefully the fact that I'm a nonsecularist won't put you off.
"Christians do FAR more good for suffering people in the world han atheists will ever even think of doing, even at the cost of their own lives."
Statistics show otherwise. In twelve annoymous random target surveys conducted between 1990 and 2006, the donation percentage was 44.5% to 55.5% (with a 1.5 point level of deviation) in favor of atheists.
"All atheists care about is their selfish interests and desires."
When you don't think there is an afterlife so your only chance to create a lasting legacy is in the here-and-now, life becomes more precious. Wouldn't that make an atheist more prone to giving and acts of kindness?
Also, I've never met a single selfish atheist in my entire life. Certainly I met one who considered self preservation an important thing, but most of the toxic, rude, and generally disagreeable people I've met were religious- most of whom were either Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, or Lutheran.
"Most of the concern about what is going on in Darfur is by christian organizations."
Charity wise? Yes. That's what happens when there are over 33,000 christian denominations. However, most of the private donators (aka: non-corporate) are atheists. Why you may ask? Probably because they care and the first charity they found out about happens to be a religious one. They just aren't being picky. All that matters to them at the time is that their donation helps people in need.
"What are atheists doing? They basically ignore it and go on with what they love to do: attacking christians, slandering Jesus and all the other worldly and immoral activities they love to do."
If your a bigot or an idiot, you'll certainly be attacked on these forums. See, atheists, in not being bound my religion, are (in many cases) more open to universal rights. Christians tend to be anti-homosexual, anti-science, etc. Many atheists don't believe that Jesus existed, so what? It's their right. It isn't your right, or the right of anyone for that matter, to attack innocent people just because they're different than you.
Say, one more thing: ever notice how Jesus is often held in high regard when he's brought up? The idea of him, what people think he was like, was a good idea. It was an idea of compassion and forgiveness.
The key problem Atheists have with Christians really stems from the fact that Christians say they follow such a man, but they don't act on what they say and often refuse to follow the high moral example of their Savior.
"You guys care more about animals than you do about human beings, specifically the black people suffering from genocide in Africa."
You just called Africans animals in the discriminatory pretense, after preaching about religious kindness in Darfur no less. How benevolent of you. Now, moving on from that, what's wrong about caring for animals? They think, have emotions, everything. Really, aside from the fact that they can care for themselves, they're like children in that they're so full of emotion. Last time I checked, there's nothing wrong with caring for another sentient being.
"By the way, the title of this page is complete HORSECRAP. It just further proves that most of you atheists are pathological liars."
The title of the page was given by the site it was pulled off of. Nobody here renamed it. Just goes to show how some religious people can't check their facts and are quick to throw insults. Really, your making all of us thiests look bad.
"How does NOT believing in God and not being religious make someone "likely to care for the poor"??"
Actually, given that some portions of Christianity state that the poor "sinned themselves into their state of depravity", thiests should be more likely to not care for the poor. Atheists have no indocrinated descrimination against the poor and thus must act upon personal morality.
Turns out people don't need a book to know how to be human beings.
"Isn't it far more likely that people who have a faith that SPECIFICALLY teaches love for others"
I've kept count, followers of your religion that "teaches love for others" have told me to kill myself or die a horrible death because I'm gay a total of.... 286 times in the last two years.
"You atheists are so full of crap."
That's the second time you've said that athiests are full of crap for no logical reason whatsoever. Remind me how your trying to paint Christians in a good light again.
"You guys and satanists have a lot in common: self-worship, arrogance, refusal to ever listen, habitual lying, selfishness and immorality"
I'm friends with two satanists. They give to the poor on a weekly basis, volunteer for community service, and generally leave everyone else alone outside of that. Now tell me where you get the idea that atheists and satanists are arrogant,refuse to listen habitually lie, are selfish, and immoral.
See, I've always gotten the impression that many Christians are arrogant. The fact that they refuse to accept things like man-caused Global Warming, the fact that homosexuality isn't a choice, and multiple other things isn't helping your case to cast Christians off as "good listeners."
Also, are you talking about "BlueAngel" movie-wise by any chance? Because if you want to cast Christians in a good light, she is NOT a person you want to associate yourself with.
"Like I said, the title of this page is such a lie on so many levels."
Blame the religious person who named it then.
"Even if you met a "religious" doctor who refused to care for the poor, then that doctor is obviously really an atheist who doesn't really believe in his religion but just pretends to."
So the fact that I've seen a very specific doctor go to church every Sunday since I was five means he's faking his belief... just because he doesn't care for the poor?
Huh... he must be really devoted to a lie- oh wait!
"What the hell has not being religious or not believing in God got ANYTHING to do with being good?"
"What the hell has being religious or believing in God got ANYTHING to do with being good?"
Also, your usage of grammar wasn't the best there. (why do I suspect I'll regret saying that later?)
"Criminals, pornographers and all sorts of bad people in the world are obviously FAR more likely to be atheists than christians."
Sorry, every study since 1950 states the exact opposite.
"Unless it is a religion that specifically encourages immorality, like Islam or Satanism, which you atheists have no problem with [it]"
Islam promotes peace far more often than Christianity (if your now confused about Terrorists, check out Pakistan's re-education program. Most people give up on the "jihad" once they find out it wasn't actually religiously sanctioned). Satanism promotes spiritual harmony and good deeds based upon merit.
Yeah, I can see why atheists have no problems with such "evil" religions as that. Promoting peace and spiritual harmony and all...
"You guys are the embodiment of immorality, deafness, stubborness and selfishness."
And you Sir, are an insult to the name of Jesus Christ! Kindly look back at your post and realize that you are close to becoming the embodiment of everything you claim to hate."
