I've made this point. Consider, an obscure carpenters son, charged and convicted of sedition, then executed. Think about the odds, that time it'self is reconed from the day of this mans birth. What year is it? 2005. 2005 from when? 2005 from the birth of Jesus Christ. If there is no God and Jesus is not the son of God, how could this have happened?
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I want to gather every friggin' fundie that spouts this kind of bullshit, and gather them in an arena. Over loudspeakers, I'll say; "The terms "BC" and "AD" came about AFTER JESUS' (alleged) DEATH! It's just a convenient method of dating!"
Then I'll hit the sprinklers.
Uh, a billion Chinese would like to have a word with you. It's the year 4607 over there. Oh, and a billion Muslims might also want to speak with you. It's 1429 in the Islamic world (but often seems more like the early 1300's over there).
Time is an artifact. When you write the calendar, you get to choose the starting point. Why does the United States use the Gregorian calendar? Because the guys who set up our government were form Europe, and for along a time, both the Roman and the Holy Roman Empire had a lot of power over there.
"I've made this point. Consider, an obscure carpenters son, charged and convicted of sedition, then executed."
Consider, an obscure Hobbit, charged with taking the One Ring to Mount Doom, then saving Middle Earth. Yeah, about as convincing as your little argument.
"Think about the odds, that time it'self is reconed from the day of this mans birth. What year is it? 2005. 2005 from when? 2005 from the birth of Jesus Christ. If there is no God and Jesus is not the son of God, how could this have happened?"
You do know that time was not recorded in such a way until a 6th century monk named Dionysius Exiguus invented it in order to identify a number of Easters for a project he was working on. Even after it was invented, Western Europe didn't use the system widely until sometime in the 8th century. Until that point even the Popes continued to date documents and such using regnal years. The A.D. system didn't spread completely throughout Europe until the 11-14th centuries. In fact, Portugal held out until 1422.
Thus concludes our history lesson.
Fidel Castro - an obscure sugar farmer's son.
Point being, most people who changed the world come from obscure and unassuming families. That's the beauty of it. And at least the ones I named actually existed.
And the only reason we are counting up from Jesus' birth is because emperor Constantine decided it'd be a good idea to make Christianity the state religion of the Roman empire - for, get this, political reasons . So don't get too excited, pal.
Problem: It wasn't an obscure carpenter at the time of the calendar's creation, because the person who made the calendar and set 0 at roughly the time of Jesus's birth was Christian in a predominantly Christian Europe. So, you lose.
The man who created the modern dating system was a monk who lived in the 700s, I believe. Obviously, Jesus was the most important thing in his life. Calendars have been and probably will be in the future started from the date of important events - the Roman one, for instance, started from the alleged date founding of Roma by the mythical first king, Romulus. However, this is almost undoubtedly incorrect and so is our BC/AD calendar - the monk did a heroic job by calculating what year Jesus would have been born in according to pre-existing calendars using the events during his life, but messed up. He also didn't start on AD 0 like he should have, because Christians thought the number 0 was heretical. Nice, eh?
All of these calanders would love to have a word with you about your asinine presumption Harlin.
* Pax Calendar
# Clock Calendar
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_calendars
Because a monk called Dionysius Exiguus thought of it, then the author Bede used it a lot. He was hugely popular, hence it passed into common consciousness.
1. the priests of the 4th century were the noisiest, nastiest, pushiest people you could meet, happily encouraging their flocks to kill other Xians and unbelievers.
2. they frightened shit out of a certain emperor, who, however, ensured that the Xian creed matched his politics.
3. Said state religion then extirpated anyone who stood in its way (unlike the civilised revious religions that only punished those who would destroy them.
They thus embedded themselves into western civilisation over time, and dragged the enlightened cultures of Rome, Byzantium and Egypt (et al) into the dark ages
inmate22841 wrote:
"But he was born between 6 BC and 4 BC." And then, only if the accounts of the events around his birth in Matthew and Luke are accurate.
Which is at best questionable.
It is the 20th year of the Heisei era , and -unlike Jeebus' case- there is no doubt that emperor Akihito actually exists, or that the current era started on the day he was crowned.
Or if you prefer the French Revolutionary calendar, we're currently in the year CCXVII (217) of the Republic.
Historians, during a time and region dominated by Christianity, chose an arbitrary point in time they believed notable to record time against? I don't see how that proves that Jesus was God, just that some people at some point in time believed him to be so.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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