[Only a small snip of a huge trainwreck of a thread "proving" that satan is a liberal]
Liberals can and have been saved alll the time,and no being conservative doesn't mean you are automatically saved either.But God is conservative,Lucifer is the liberal.
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In Canada our two biggest political groups are actually called Consevative and Liberal, Same shit, different names. No real difference at all.
You guys have the Republicans claiming moral high ground but in the end...
"But God is conservative,Lucifer is the liberal."
On that basis:
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Satan is certainly a liberal, compared with 'Conservative' God. So even if Satan exists, he's far superior to your God, certainly morally, therefore more worthy of belief.
You're walking on extremely thin theological ice here, Cap'n, and that very heavy dogma you're carrying isn't helping, neither.
@Darth Wang: I think that it's because Satan caused Adam and Eve to be banished from Eden, thereby insuring that all mankind would never return to Paradise. Sure, it was God who was directly responsible for their expulsion, but it's implied in the Bible that the serpent deliberately tried to get them kicked out by tricking them with the whole fruit scenario.
And then there's the way that God and Lucifer are viewed. Satan has been seen throughout the centuries as this diabolical tempter who tries to ensnare humans into doing the wrong things, whereas God is seen as the omnipotent, righteous authority whose actions are justified by the evil of mankind. If God punishes mankind, it's only just. If Satan hurts mankind in any way, it's not for the sake of some greater good or morals, it's just for kicks (or to spite God). In the eyes of many Christians, Satan doesn't do bad things for mankind's benefit; he only does them because he's "evil," and that's that.
Re the Tree of Knowledge:
If I don't want my nieces and nephews to eat something in particular, I make sure that that item is not in my house when they come to visit. I don't put it on the most accessible table and tell them not to touch. Same thing with my brothers and sister, if I bring something to a gathering, it's for all of us, if I want to keep something for myself, I leave it at home.
In conclusion God is a douchebag!
Re the topic at hand: Yeah, those ebil ideas of freedom and "all men are created equal", we can't have any of that, can we? In God's eye, some men are more equal than others (and women are expendable and just an afterthought). Them that got shall get, them that not shall loose. Oh, wait a minute! Doesn't the Bible say those very words? Guess God IS a right-wing schmuck. You can keep him, "Captain". I'll stick with the Morning Star, he seems more pleasant.
@Darth Wang:
Just a thought: If giving humans knowledge of good and evil was bad, why do fundamentalists insist on telling us at length about sin?
Also, although the title Lucifer is applied to both, Satan and the Snake are not the same: The snake was the character, of unknown social status and occupation, from Genesis who accused God of lying about knowledge of good and evil being a deadly poison, whereas Satan was the member of God's heavenly court in the book of Job who asked to be allowed to prove the faith of Job by killing his sons, destroying his property, and inflicting him personally with torturously painful diseases (although other passages imply that there is more than one Satan and it may be a job title roughly equivalent to the Furies of Hellenic mythology, in the same way that the Semitic Angels are couriers and heralds similar to the Hellenic Daemons). The two are, however, easily confused due to their similar names, in the same way as Tiw, Tyr, Thyrm, and Thor in Norse mythology or Anput and Anubis or Bastet, Sekhmet, and Pakhet in Kemetic mythology.
Read what Jesus had to say about money and about how your god views rich people, then tell me that he is a conservative.
And I mean read the actual passages, not the stacks of modern day apologetics that are designed to assure you that Jesus didn't really mean what he said about having money.
..and Jesus was a Socialist!
Damn, forgot to check if I'd already posted anything. Oh, well, at least I'm not repeating myself.
I always thought that Satan got a rough deal. He attempted to overthrow a sadistic, megalomaniacal, genocidal, egotistical dictator, despite having it pretty sweet by being his right hand man. He gets sent to hell as punishment, where he conspires to help the humans out of their unknowing slavery to this same dictator.
And everyone thinks he's the bad guy?
I mean I know it's all a myth, but if I believe any of this at some point in the future for whatever crazy reason I could never be Christian, I'm on Satan's side.
The worst part is god supposedly wrote the bible, so it's biased towards him and he still looks like the complete jerk
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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