Violent extremists in the Christian religion, rare though they may be, occasionally pop up on the radar screen. They can properly be considered apostates from the teachings of Christ, and aberration that isn’t Christianity or condoned by Christians.
Violent extremists in the Islamic religion are practitioners of Islam, acting within the fundamentals of the Islamic faith. They are not rare, given the many violent, inhuman acts that occur in the name of Islam, and receive approval and excuse in the Islamic world.
See the difference?
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"Violent extremists in the Islamic religion, rare though they may be, occasionally pop up on the radar screen. They can properly be considered apostates from the teachings of Muhammad, and aberration that isn’t Islam or condoned by Muslims.
Violent extremists in the Christian religion are practitioners of Christianity, acting within the fundamentals of the Christian faith. They are not rare, given the many violent, inhuman acts that occur in the name of Christianity, and receive approval and excuse in the Christian world.
See the difference?"
"See the difference?"
As in the double standard you have set up, then yes I can.
This is what muslims believe about the extremists in their religion when you were talking about extremists in Christianity. Problem with their extremists is similar to the problems we have with ours. The extremists are so in deep into their extreme beliefs that it is hard to convince them to relax in their beliefs and these extremists will often write us off as not being devout enough with our faith. Then the extremists will go on to do actions in the name of the God we worship and make everyone else in the same faith look bad in the process.
Only because Christianity, at least in the West, has been watered down beyond recognition since the Enlightenment. To see the undiluted version of your religion of love, go to Uganda.
"Violent extremists in the Christian religion, rare though they may be, occasionally pop up on the radar screen. They can properly be considered apostates from the teachings of Christ, and aberration that isn’t Christianity or condoned by Christians. "
Funny how this is exactly what we hear from muslims when their terrorists kill someone.
And how much did you applaud Dumbya when he shocked and awed about 100,000 Iraqies to death?
> Violent extremists in the Christian religion, rare though they may be, occasionally pop up on the radar screen. They can properly be considered apostates from the teachings of Christ, and aberration that isn’t Christianity or condoned by Christians.
Where was that attitude when one Dr. George Tiller was murdered? Fundies everywhere were all gushing praise for the murderer and condemning anyone who dared to think Tiller's murder was unjustified.
And don't ask me about Northern Ireland. I tried to make sense of that mess long ago and failed. I don't want any more headaches.
"Violent extremists in the Christian religion, rare though they may be"
Not so much on FR, they're not.
Most Republicans (like we know all you Freepers are) are apostates from the teachings of Christ, too, when they're protesting against welfare, health care, and all the other things that benefit the poor, as well as civil rights for certain classes of people.
No, I don't. How are violent Christian extremists any different from violent Muslim extremists? Someone shooting an abortion doctor or bombing an abortion clinic because God told them to is no different from a suicide bomber killing infidels in order to get to heaven. I'm sure most Muslims don't approve of Muslim terrorists, but they're just not vocal about it. Pretty much the same way Christians aren't vocal about stopping terrorism against abortion clinics. And if you think that Christian terrorism is not condoned by Christians, you should have seen all the celebratory comments on the internet when Dr. Tiller was murdered.
What about the systematic murder of women due to witchcraft as recently as 200 years ago, 100% condoned by the church. All apostates?
When you believe absurd things you can be convinced to commit atrocities. It is a simple as that. It doesn't matter what the intention of christianity is.
But that poster is right. ONce every few years some nutjob christian kills an abortion doctor...every day muslims kill in the name of their faith.
I am an atheist. I am liberal on many issues (for example I am 100% pro gay rights). But we have to stop being PC about this. Islam IS a violent religion. YES they do want to convert who kill the entire world.
Violent extremists in the Islamic religion, rare though they may be, occasionally pop up on the radar screen. They can properly be considered apostates from the teachings of Muhammad, and aberration that isn’t Islam or condoned by Muslims.
Violent extremists in the Christian religion are practitioners of Christianity, acting within the fundamentals of the Christian faith. They are not rare, given the many violent, inhuman acts that occur in the name of Christianity, and receive approval and excuse in the Christian world.
See the difference?
Yet thousands of Muslims live peacefully in the US.
According to DoJ statistics, a disproportionately high percentage of violent criminals are Christians.
See the difference?
"ONce every few years some nutjob christian kills an abortion doctor...every day muslims kill in the name of their faith. "
IRA, heard of it much?
The issue is whether ALL muslims kill in the name of their faith. The answer is simple - no. Not even close to a majority. Not even close to a minority.
Trust the numbers. If all 1.3 BILLION Mulsims in the world killed just one non-Muslim, the world population would suddenly decrease by 20%.
Yes, I do. When an adherent of another religion does something bad, you point to the religion, saying that this is a sign of what they stand for. Someone in YOUR religion does something bad, and makes you look bad, you say they aren't REALLY in your religion anyways. I see perfectly well.
"Violent extremists in the Christian religion, rare though they may be, occasionally pop up on the radar screen. They can properly be considered apostates from the teachings of Christ, and aberration that isn’t Christianity or condoned by Christians." Oh yeah?
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -- man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' "
"If anyone comes to me [Jesus] and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters yes, even his own life he cannot be my disciple."
The Koran is just like the bible, you can cherry pick that book to support any point of view you like.
The reason that we hear about more violence from Muslims is
What about all the witch killings going on in the name of god in Africa at this time? That doesn't make the news.
@ Antichrist
Only a person who thinks the Quran is anyting like the BIble could make that claim. You need to not have read either the Bible or the Quran to do so.
"The reason that we hear about more violence from Muslims is
Utter bullshit.'We' are not at war with them - Islam however considers itself in perpetual war with dal-al-harb. If you had read the Quran you'd know this.
"3) poorer nations tend to be more violent "Except those 19 hijackers came from anything but a poor families. Next time the Bolivians blow up Jews in the name of la Santa Maria or when the Balinese butcher a truckload of Javanese workers by cutting their throats shouting Ganesh-hu-Akbar....you give me a call eh?
@ Antichrist
Only a person who thinks the Quran is anyting like the BIble could make that claim. You need to not have read either the Bible or the Quran to do so.
"The reason that we hear about more violence from Muslims is
Utter bullshit.'We' are not at war with them - Islam however considers itself in perpetual war with dal-al-harb. If you had read the Quran you'd know this.
"3) poorer nations tend to be more violent "Except those 19 hijackers came from anything but a poor families. Next time the Bolivians blow up Jews in the name of la Santa Maria or when the Balinese butcher a truckload of Javanese workers by cutting their throats shouting Ganesh-hu-Akbar....you give me a call eh?
Actually, I hear much less outcry against Christian nutjobs than I do against Muslim nutjobs. So really, you're more similar than you think--a handful of extremists, and a whole gaggle of normal people who aid them by the simple expedient of doing jack shit about it.
I actually more or less agree with this too.
I have read some of the Koran and it was all "doom" and "fire on the unbelievers" etc.
While the Old Testament is just as horrible as anything Islam has to offer, for the most part, Jesus preached some pretty peaceful stuff.
I really can't wrap my head around "Conservative Christianity" but to be fair most of those guys are all talk. Really, how many Christians ACTUALLY kill people?
"Radical Islam" makes sense to me. And those guys are killing people all the time.
Remember that episode of South Park that showed Jesus crapping on the American flag and eating crap? That same episode also had a scene where Muhammad bought a glass of lemonade and Comedy Central censored that scene because they thought that Muslims might get angry.
Nobody is scared of Christians for a reason.
Violent extremists who are atheists, rare though they may be, occasionally pop up on the radar screen. They can properly be considered exceptions from the beliefs of most atheists, an aberration that isn’t atheistic or condoned by atheists.
Violent extremists in the Christian religion are practitioners of Christianity, acting within the fundamentals of the Christian faith. They are not rare, given the many violent, inhuman acts that occur in the name of God, and receive approval and excuse in the Christian world.
See the difference?
Oh Jesus.
The Crusades.
And lastly, try reading the Koran before saying such things.
Well, actually...
It's sort've the other way around. And you would know that, if you ever actually read a basic summary of the Qur'an. In fact, originally, Muslims were advised to practice religious tolerance respecting Christians and Jews.
...So, you're wrong. The extremist Muslims are not following original doctrine. The same way you fundies don't follow half of your bible.
No true Scotsman would ever do such a thing, eh?
What Tyler said. After 9/11, there has been plenty of shit said about the terrorists by the Muslim community. When an abortion doctor is shot or Uganda decides to execute homosexuals, Christian representatives cheer and pat them on the back. Only a handful are quietly saying something like, "well, this is not exactly Christian".
Although, to be fair, Muslims are no angels, either. Religion of peace my ass.
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