[[Title: Marriage is not a 'right']]
It's a ceremony of the church. Why do so many gays want a Christian ceremony anyway? Ever think of that? I'll tell you why, it's because what they really want is to shove their gayness down people's throats and be drama queens by claiming it's a civil rights issue.
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Oh, I dunno, maybe because it IS a civil rights issue? Hate to break it to you, but the government crept up that corner of god's asshole a looooooong time ago.
And in any case, marriage was around long before your religious rag tag ancestors were even a manic gleam in their loopy fathers' eyes. Like so much else, you attempt to claim copyright on issues that originally have nothing to do with your church of slavering insanity.
No, you're thinking of a "wedding". A "marriage" is a legal contract between two people.
This is why preachers need to be licensed by the government to be allowed to marry people. And many same-sex couples don't want a religious ceremony, and would be quite happy with a secular ceremony (or just signing the paperwork and having no ceremony at all), just like many different-sex couples do.
Plus, what about Christian churches that want to marry people? Would giving them religious freedom take your own away?
Hey, shit for brains, you seem to have forgotten that you can get a civil marriage ceremony in front of a judge that doesn't involve religion in the slightest.
[[Title: Yuletide isn't about "Christ"]]
It's a Pagan celebration. Why do so many Christians want a Pagan holiday anyway? Ever think of that? I'll tell you why, it's because what they really want is to shove their religion down people's throats and be drama queens by claiming it's a persecution issue.
"It's a ceremony of the church."
Not always. Not to mention that while the ceremony may take place in a church, it's the government that you get all the paperwork from which actually allows you to do it in the first place. So tell me, would that make it a religious or secular matter?
"Why do so many gays want a Christian ceremony anyway?"
Because you (for some reason) have many, many members of your religion. A religion that typically pushes such things on their members.
"Ever think of that?"
Not until just a moment ago, no.
"I'll tell you why, it's because what they really want is to shove their gayness down people's throats and be drama queens by claiming it's a civil rights issue."
What is it with you people and having things shoved down your throats? Can none of you find a better expression than that? It makes you all look like a bunch of closet cases.
And there was me thinking every known culture and religion had a form of marriage.
But nope, apparently Jesus invented it.
A fundie has no concept that a world exists outside their own narrow religious borders where there are marriage ceremonies performed by hundreds of different religions as well as completely secular authorities?
In other breaking news, the sky is blue, the Pope is Catholic, and bears shit in the woods.
Well there ya go...you cracked the conspiracy. Homosexuals are going to bring down religion by getting married and being "dramatic" for wanting equal treatment before the law.
You must be the shining star of the congregation.
/It's a ceremony of the church./
No, you're thinking about a wedding. Marriages are not only performed in the religious venue, but the secular venue. Hundreds of people get married by a judge all the time. And where do you suppose that Jews, Muslims, and other non-Christians get married? Not in a church, I can tell you that.
/Why do so many gays want a Christian ceremony anyway? Ever think of that?/
Maybe because some of them ARE Christian? Ever think of that?
/I'll tell you why, it's because what they really want is to shove their gayness down people's throats and be drama queens by claiming it's a civil rights issue./
Oh, sure. It's not because they love each other and want to commit to each other through marriage the same way that millions of straight people do. It's not because they want all the legal benefits and protections that come with marriage. Nope, it's not about those; it's all about you and your precious feelings. *rolls eyes*
Seriously, get a life, you self-absorbed, immature bigot. Not everything is about you.
Marriage is not a ceremony of the church. The church didn't get involved in it until about the end of the first milennium. So it pre-dates church interference.
Besides, Jews, Muslims and atheists don't go to church... Get the picture? OK, just in case you don't, they too get married!
In effect, marriage is a civil contract between two people who intend to live together. Vows were introduced only by the church. The ancient Romans got by with simnply "Ubi tu Gaia, ego Gaius: ubi tu Gaius, ego Gaia." (Where you are, Gaia, there am I, Gaia...etc. And no, this has nothing to do with the Gaia principle.)
Ok, just care to explain something, what do Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists or Confucianists who HAPPEN to be married?, and what does CIVIL MARRIAGE means anyway?
It's a ceremony of the church.
Why do so many gays want a Christian ceremony anyway?
Ever think of that? I'll tell you why, it's because what they really want is to shove their gayness down people's throats and be drama queens by claiming it's a civil rights issue.
Look up "hubris" and then get back to me. You are not the center of the universe, and we wouldn't care about you in the slightest if you would just stop screeching about us. You are the ones who are putting yourselves in our way. So stop bitching if we step on your toes.
''It's a ceremony of the church. Why do so many gays want a Christian ceremony anyway?''
This would be valid if gay people weren't also denied the right to wed in a secular ceremony by a justice of the peace. Or to be wed by church leaders that don't share the same viewpoint as some Christians. There is no secular reason to deny gays the right to marry, which means it is wholly unconstitutional.
For the last time.
YOU DON'T OWN MARRIAGE!
You never have and never will. Every culture on earth has it's own kind of marriage and it's been happening for thousands of years longer than your stupid church has existed. I your church doesn't want to marry gays then fine, I can't care less at this point, but what about all the other marriages that have nothing to do with you? Every atheist, muslim, jew, buddhist, hindu, and even satanists for fucks sake, get married without your approval every year.
It's none of your god damn business and we'd all be happy to get on with our lives if you'd just get out of our fucking way.
IT IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE, and I am fucking tired of hearing about how gays want to shove their lifestyle down someone's throat. The fact that they exist is shoving something down your throat to you fucking morons. Just fuck off and die, please, you're embarrassing the rest of us.
It's a ceremony of the church. Why do so many gays want a Christian ceremony anyway?
Are you really this fucking stupid? Has it not dawned on you that marriage has not, is not, and never will be exclusive to christianity. Marriage existed long before your religion came along.
Ever think of that?
Did you?
I'll tell you why
You seem to think you know the thoughts and intentions of gays better than they do. It makes you wonder....
it's because what they really want is to shove their gayness down people's throats
It's a wedding, the people there will no likely already know that the couple is gay and not have a problem with that. No one has said that people should be forced to attend a same sex marriage ceremony, so i don't see how it's "shoving anything down anybody's throat".
This constant referencing of having things "shoved down your throat" is seriously making me think that the whole lot of you are self hating closeted gays yourselves.
and be drama queens by claiming it's a civil rights issue.
Claiming certain rights for yourself while denying them to other that don't have your approval makes it a civil rights issue.
Marriage is a civil ceremony that can be performed in a number of ways of which on is in a church by a priest or minister. The civil documents must still be filed not matter where and how the ceremony is performed. Note that the civil authorities do not have to file any documents with the Church.
Many gays do not want a church ceremony, only the rights which marriage conveys
Your idiot church is and will always be free from having to perform same sex marriages.
Now, climb back under your rock.
No, silly, they want to support their fellow designers, caterers, and florists.
Marriage is not a christian thing. Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims and all manner of other religions have marriages too, so quit the bellyaching already. Gays want the government to recognise their civil union, be it under some god or just for the same benefits that any other married couple would get.
When did marriage become a religious institution? And a Christian one at that? Yesterday? Oh....You are just lying for Zombie Jesus...ok...
Also marriage is a LEGAL (and therefore SECULAR) contract between two consent adults.
It's a ceremony of the church.
Yet marriage licenses are issued by the government .
Why do so many gays want a Christian ceremony anyway? Ever think of that?
Why do so many heteros want one? Ever think of that?
I'll tell you why
Why do I get the feeling you're about to say something comically stupid?
it's because what they really want is to shove their gayness down people's throats and be drama queens
Yeah, it's all about looking fabulous and being the center of attention.
It has nothing to do with the fact that they pay the same taxes you do, but don't have the same rights.
It has nothing to do with the fact that they can (and do) put themselves in harm's way to serve and protect their country, yet aren't afforded the same rights as heteros who make the same sacrifice.
That couldn't be it at all.
Christian ceremony
If you are arguing that marriage is a christian tradition, I have news for you: muslims, bhuddists, hindus, jews, and atheists also get married, and they don't do it through a christian ceremony.
I bet they want what most other people having a church ceremony want; a beautiful ceremony, being surrounded by their family and friends as they pledge to love and respect their significant other.
The church thing is not the main thing with a church ceremony. The ceremony part is more important than the church part.
WEll.
Marriage is NOT EXCLUSIVELY CHRISTIAN! Oh my goodness...UGH I can't stand Christians like you who make all my other Christian friends look bad. It's people like you who make people question Christianity. You know what a lot of good, educated Christians who respect other views and cultures, btw, have to say to become friends with others? "I'm Christian. But not /that/ kind of Christian."
You are self-centered and uneducated. Marriage has been happening even BEFORE Christianity came to be. It's been around since, pft, the beginning of civilization. And for your information, you can get married by just going down to City Hall in your t-shirt and jeans and saying "we wanna get married". Does that sound like a Christian ceremony to you? Don't talk about things you don't know.
The traditional, church defined, Godly perfect and religiously proper marriage of Adam to Eve:
Adam: "Eve... I love you.. lets get married! Otherwise God will strike us down for premarital sex and then it will interrupt his entire plan for us to procreate all over His green earth for Him!"
Later that evening... in the cool of the garden our infamous couple struggle to find a Holy Church to get hitched in...
Adam: Weel Eve I've got my wedding vows prepared do you have yours?"
TO BE CONTINUED
I think Ive proven my point. *gets down from her soap box and grabs her stage sets and walks off*
Priest: "Robin do you?"
LMFAO I love Robin Hood Men In Tights! hahahaha
Marriage is not a right, it is a left.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
@Mudak I was wondering what your handle refers to and what language it's from originally. It's a rather... insulting term in Russian.
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