[You're using the "god of the gaps" argument and it doesn't hold up. Just because some thing is unlikely, unexplained, or hard to understand doesn't mean that a magic man in the sky did it. That's a pretty silly conclusion.]
Wait a minute, "god of the gap"? If he believes god created everything then he has a theory that's complete. The onus is on you to provide a complete theory, the gaps aren't in his theory they're in yours.
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Everything was created last Thursday by an intelligent shade of the colour blue.
Just as verifiable as Creation, and just as correct.
"God makes lightning, babies, hurricanes, [etc.]! Fact!"
<<Demonstration of the electrostatic origin of lightning.>>
"God makes babies, hurricanes, [etc.]! Fact!"
<<Discovery of genetics and developmental biology.>>
"God makes hurricanes, [etc.]! Fact!"
<<Derivation of the Clausius-Clapeyron equation.>>
Seeing a pattern yet?
That's fine if you say "God did it." But when evidence begins to fall out of the order of what your bible predicts or states, then one has to question the veracity of the events. One reason we know what we do about our sun and moon is precisely because we dumped the hubris that we were the center of our universe.
If he believes god created everything then he has a theory that's complete.
So does the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. "You can't explain X, therefore I'm free to invent any explanation I want out of thin air and you have to disprove it" isn't a valid argument. It's the sort of argument attempted by children who break a lamp playing ball in the house: "maybe a big truck rumbled by and shook it off the table; maybe it was an earthquake; maybe aliens shot it through the window with their death ray; ..."
The gap in his theory is he can't show the existence of God and can't show any evidence that God, even if He existed, did what he's claiming He did. An anonymous book by a bunch of bronze age Arab goat herders isn't legitimate evidence.
No. He has an assumption that is complete. The assumption being that God exists. And indeed a second assumption is there that he has done all this. These are unprovable since it is belief. There is no divine signature to prove he did it.
However as for evolution there is a mountain of evidence to support it. Indeed, there is no theory for "him" to even begin with.
"Wait a minute, "god of the gap"? If he believes god created everything then he has a theory that's complete. The onus is on you to provide a complete theory, the gaps aren't in his theory they're in yours."
Well, that's certainly an interesting interpretation you have there. Completely, utterly and absolutely wrong , but interesting.
Unless you can address the problem of evil, you don't have a theory that's complete. Meanwhile, some religions teach that the gods aren't omni-everything, so they do have a theory that's complete. Convert to one of those religions or be damned!
In Trying Leviathan , a book that came out last year, historian Graham Burnett takes us through the remarkable twists and turns of an 1818 lawsuit which tried to show that whales were, in fact, fish, hence whale-oil was not exempt from the fish-oil taxes of the time.
And what evidence did the state officials use to argue that whales were fish? Guess. No, go on, guess. I'm not going to tell you. Uh-uh, that's never my Job !
Princeton have put the first chapter online.
At least this guy is consistant in his stupidity. It really bugs me when I hear fundies turning science on it's head to prove god exists.
"Goddidit, goddidit, goddidit!"
"Yes, but how ?"
"Erm... ummm..."
[Science explains how relevant phenomenon occurs naturally]
"There! That's how goddidit!"
"So everything the Church has said over the last 400 years about [phenomenon] being an example of unexplainable design, and proof that god exists..."
"Repent, sinner!"
God of the gaps means that whenever there is a gap in scientific knowledge, a place were scientists will say "We don't know, we're working on that" theists will say "Oh well that must be God then," Not only are they relocating God's significance to say making gravity work, but they also are attempting to halt scientific progress by simply saying "God did it. That's the answer! No need to go look for yourself."
your 'goddidit' crap has no 'gaps' as you like to think because anything unexplainable is simply shit that God did or does. Science happens to work based in reality where layer by layer we explain all the phenomena previously attributed to some God fellow. Thousands of years ago it was thought almost everything outside of human action was a work of God, but little by little we found logical explanations ofr things and by now there are but a handful of phenomena we cannot fully explain and that's by and large attributed to some sort of God, unfortunately. You'd think as a species we'd see the pattern and know better.
Well the fact that godidit is a theory, I guess. Not under the scientific definition of theory (that requires proof), but under the "aliens stole my liver" type of theory.
But why is it that "We don't know" means that scientists are full of shit? And what the hell is this doing in a Martial Arts Forum? Isn't Martial Arts one of those evil heathen other culture things?
It's funny because everyone in this thread is chastising 6StingHero based on this one quote and is taking this on faith as his/her belief system. The same thing your chastising him/her for - faith, you using. It looks to me he/she is just playing devil's advocate.
This is why I don't label myself, if I were to be lumped in with the likes of you people; especially in public, I would have to stab one of you in the throat.
Typical drive-by asshole: stop by, call us all nasty names, use brilliant arguments such as "NO U!" (which your little diatribe boils down to, by the way), provide no proof of your vile accusations, and then fuck off like the infantile coward you are. No way a little pissant like you could ever stab anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Doesn't feel good to be insulted, does it? If I thought you had a brain I'd assume you'd have learned some empathy from this, but I know your type. You'll just claim you're oh so unjustly picked on, and continue to self-righteously slag others anonymously, secure in the arrogant belief that you are the epitome of moral perfection.
Your kind is a dime a dozen, and not worth anywhere near that much. Stop wasting our oxygen.
Confused?
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