Wouldn't the world be better if we adopted the Old Testament model and tried and executed the cheating spouse? That way the children would have the benefit of the good parent as a role model. And there would be a powerful deterrent effect on sin and immorality.
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Better stock up on rocks, cause you'll be killing everyone who eats shellfish, mixes fabric, ever spoke up to their parents, or so much as picks up a stick on Saturday.
No the world would not be better if we did that.
There is a reason why we stopped doing that kind of thing ages ago, it's called compassion.
@Xander: WRONG. We all know all children need ONE MOMMY AND ONE DADDY. Or they become gay atheist Darwinist child molester mass murderers! ONE MOMMY AND ONE DADDY! It does not matter if mommy and daddy love eachother, or the children, only that they FEAR GOD ENOUGH (and too much is never enough), ARE TROO CHRISTUNS, AND ARE ONE MOMMY AND DADDY.
Murder is already illegal, and it can be punishable by death in some places. That has NOT stopped murder from occurring. Three-strikes-you’re-out doesn’t stop crime either. The sooner you abandon your slave/master mentality when dealing with adversity the sooner you will resemble a human being again.
(and i hope you're not wearing mixed-fabrics or you're going to Sheol with the rest of the sunday-workers and shrimp-eaters)
Firstly no, the world would not be a better place. Plus aren't you fundies always banging on about family values and how beneficial it is to have a father and a mother?
Dad: Son I've had to kill your mother.Why?
Yes, what a wonderful place it would be. We could then justify killing people for all sorts of "crimes" and give out harsher punishments overall (i.e. going back to cutting off hands for thievery). Meanwhile, crazy spouses who wanted out of marriage or were angry at their significant other for a lesser offense would begin accusing them of cheating. As for the children, do you really think a person willing to have their spouse killed is going to be a good parent? A lot would be unwilling to take care of them and end up dumping them off on somebody else. The rest would likely beat them endlessly. Then there would be those who would be racked with guilt and end up losing their minds in front of their children. *thumbs up* Sounds like a most awesome plan, you fucked up piece of shit. Did you come up with any other good ones since your escape from the mental institution?
Firt: Hell no
Oh, and probably half your friends as well.
Sure. But why stop at cheating spouses? How about executing people who play their radios too loud or spit on the sidewalk or don't clean up after their dogs? Frankly, stopping those things would be a bigger benefit to me than deterring someone from engaging in "sin and immorality" in the privacy of their homes.
Supposedly humanism is so-called because it believes that humans are capable of solving the worlds problems without divine intervention.
I'm starting to think it's less that and more that the proto-humanists looked at the Old Testament laws and the people who support them and said "That's inhuman ."
I sympathize completely with the poster's desire to implement capital punishment for cheating spouses -- not because of Old Testament law or anything like that, but because being cheated on is the most soul-breaking experience I can imagine (admittedly, this may be only because I cannot even quite imagine being raped -- but I would gladly condone capital punishment for rapists, too).
Of course, due process should still apply; I in no way support the idea of the poor spouse having to soil his or her hands with the just execution of the philanderer.
The only problem is, as someone pointed out to me, that if laws against adultery were passed, then that would empower the government to pry into our bedrooms, ALL of our bedrooms, to see that the law is not violated -- and this results in a far worse violation of our general civil and human liberties than is committed even by allowing spouses to cheat. So I must, reluctantly, concede that legislation against adultery, let alone execution of adulterers, is not practical.
"Wouldn't the world be better if we adopted the Old Testament model and tried and executed the cheating spouse?"
If you've already decided to executed the "cheating spouse," why would you bother to try them?
Nor would they have a role model of forgiveness and healing. Plus, it's not always only one parent who is at fault in a relationship.
Have you read the OT method for determining if a wife is unfaithful. It's ridiculous. And, there is no OT test for a man's unfaithfulness.
Powerful indeed. One parent having the other parent killed is such a good example of "Christian family values.
right, make it illegal and nobody'll ever dare to do it! that's why there's no such thing as murder, rape, or drug abuse!
How to test for a woman's infidelity, from the book of Numbers:
5:17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
Not really. Because the OT doesn't punish the cheating father or husband. And a killer is a far worse model than an adulterer, sorry. And concerning deterrent, have you consider that they may kill the husband for fear of being discovered?
If we are to offer good models to the children, why not killing a parent who is a liar, a parent who is a thief, a parent who is bad tempered.....................?, the list is long, baby. I understand now why Jesus forgave the adultress and said "he who is witout sin.........."
And the best thing is, the kid would be emotionally scarred for life, blaming the religion for the loss of their mother, one day starting a huge revolution resulting in the end of Christianity.
Wait, wait, I remember this... dumbass, it's "let he that is without sin cast the first stone." So fuck you.
This is a horrible idea and i suspect that mayfly really knows that deep inside (if not he or she is insane).
Does this idiot even consider what kind of effect this crap would have on the children? It would be a life-changing trauma and would probably make the kid(s) grow up to be really f*cked up adults. The kids would be much better off having an adulterer for a mom or dad than watching that mom or dad get stoned to death.
Besides mayfly you idiot, what's the point of 'trying' the person when you've already decided to stone them? Good grief I can't believe anyone could be so stupid and cruel and heartless.
My family is mostly agnostic or follow our old ethnic religion, yet our kids are taught to be gentle and respectful to all living things. And to have compassion even when you;d rather strike out at someone. My little nieces and nephews won't even hurt a bug let alone a person! Goodness, so much for the Xtians being the more moral ones huh?
>>RJ
Wait, wait, I remember this... it's "let he that is without sin cast the first stone." <<
This is why I can't understand anyone who says that the Bible can be taken "literally", using any normal meaning of that word.
Jesus' teachings are different from those of the later Old Testament, which in turn are different from Moses' section, and those in turn are different from the material in Genesis (which has several profound changes within it).
What we are seeing is the evolution of ethics and morality. We go from Caine taking seven-fold vengeance on his enemies, to the sort of thing that mayfly seems to think is appropriate, to "an eye for an eye" material that probably came from Hammurabi, to Jesus saying "love thy enemy".
So, the parent that murders the other is now closer to the psychotic mass murderer known as God, and the children would be taught that life is nothing more than moral imprisonment where any dissent is met with death, which will turn them into mental zombies with no free will. A society like that would make the supposedly horrible world ruled by liberals look like paradise.
Wouldn't the world be better if we adopted the Old Testament model and tried and executed the cheating spouse?
No. No, it wouldn't.
That way the children would have the benefit of the good parent as a role model.
As well as the memory of how the state killed the other parent--you know, the one they probably still loved.
And there would be a powerful deterrent effect on sin and immorality.
Absolutely. Just like burning down an apartment complex to kill the roaches in one of the kitchens is an effective, efficient means of pest control.
No, it wouldn't. There's a reason the world has evolved since those horrible days. Actually, there are several reasons, but that's one.
Would you like it if we stoned insolent children too?
Since the US executes murderers, you have very few murders, right?
Um,,,
That's what you said.
What er,, uh no that church would make this decision.
Fuck off, the church wasn't wronged, and wouldn't be as likely to know, it's really not a fucking audience participation thing anyway, now is it?
If some of you faithful had your way we'd be in a Python skit putting a pointed hat on someone you didn't like because they dissed your haircut.
Y'know, sometimes when we wonder what we'd do with 50 million dollars I like to think of doing a Twilight Zone type series.
In this episode, Mayfly gets his wish when he walks through a strange misty glowing fog and finds himself in a world where Old Testament values were policy.
He walks around for about 20 minutes noticing everyones dressed the same, only men and boys in the streets, no one's smiling, BO and bad teeth everywhere, open fires no sign of electricity, vehicles but lots of sewage and shit on the streets.
A couple robed guys come up with swords and haul his ass into a smelly shack and he's put to death for having weird cloths and a Satanic watch.
A careful what you wish for tale for all those who want to see no mercy punishment but somehow think it'll never be used on them, a cautionary tale for those who never think it through in the dumbfuck zone.
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