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Other "advantages" of being an atheist
There is no objective moral right and wrong so you can:

1) Rape women and laugh about it to your friends

2) Kill children just for the fun of it

3) Have sex with animals

4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or are religious

5) Lie

6) Cheat

7) Steal

8) Murder

9) Kill babies and call it abortion and dehumanize those being killed

10) Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children

If atheism is true and there is no objective right or wrong then the above actions can never be wrong; they can only be a personal opinion of a person, culture or society. If there is no God, then there is no justice for those killed and no consequences.

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old comment by NecroVMX

Pretty sure that 9 of those are illegal pretty much everywhere and abhorred by society, whether it's religious or secular.

Not to mention that number 4 is done for religious people all over the world, particularly the middle east.

This person needs to re-examine his definition of "objective morality" as by definition, objective morality exists BY ITSELF and FOR ITSELF without necessitating the existence of any ethereal creature (i.e. "God") or scriptural writings or law. In other words, according to objective morality, it's wrong to murder someone, regardless of whether or not it's illegal in the eyes of the law or a sin in the eyes of an ethereal creature.

In other words....Failure rate: 100%

old comment by Marissa

Other "advantages" of being a fundamentalist: the only objective moral right and wrong is what you decide it is, so you can:

1) Rape women because they should be submitting to you

2) Abuse children for being children and/or not submitting to your absolute will

3) Abuse animals any way you like because they aren't human and don't have souls

4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or religion

5) Lie, as long as it is in God's name.

6) Treat other people like shit for not being a fundie

7) Steal from non-believers, because obviously it's the devil's work that they're doing better than you and you just want to relieve that burden from them

8) Murder anyone who is doing something you don't agree with

9) Dehumanise anyone who believes they should be in control of their own fate and body

old comment by HeathenAngel

Hmmm..

There is no objective moral right and wrong so you can:
1) Rape women and laugh about it to your friends

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/53517.stm

2) Kill children just for the fun of it
and
4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or are religious

5) Lie
6) Cheat
7) Steal
8) Murder

10) Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children

...
...

yeah... then conflabbed godless atheists.

(to be fair.. I guess Rove and Cheney are in question there.. but...)

Your argument is specious and has absolutely no basis in reality or truth. Try again once you've actually learned how to operate your brain.. I suggest reading your manual. And no.. that's not the buybull.

old comment by Fanatic-Templar

" Other "advantages" of being an fundamentalist
Salvation is through faith, not works, so you can:

1) Rape women and laugh about it to your friends

2) Kill children just for the fun of it

3) Have sex with animals

4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or are religious

5) Lie

6) Cheat

7) Steal

8) Murder

9) Kill babies and call it abortion and dehumanize those being killed

10) Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children

If fundamentalism is true and there is no objective right or wrong then the above actions can never be wrong; they can only be a personal opinion of a person, culture or society. If there is no God, then there is justice for those killed and consequences. "

old comment by GigaGuess

*sigh*

"1) Rape women and laugh about it to your friends"
Please note most rape apologists are Christian.

"2) Kill children just for the fun of it"
I assume you mean abortions? First, a Zygote isn't a baby, much less a child. Second, it's not FOR FUN. It's for a legitimate reason. Not ready for children, health concerns, but it's always a pretty grave situation...not "for fun."

"3) Have sex with animals"
Heh? Oh, right, atheist means you just mindlessly fuck anything.

"4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or are religious"
No, that's generally a Christian trick. Salem Witch Trials? Inquisition? Crusades?

"5) Lie"
We're only human. Like you.

"6) Cheat"
See above.

"7) Steal"
Respect for people usually means respect for property. But nice generalization.

"8) Murder"
I could point you to a few quotes that some "Good Christians" have turned into slavering bloodthirsty apocalypse masturbators. And generally when one thinks this life is all we have, we tend to respect others' right to it.

"9) Kill babies and call it abortion and dehumanize those being killed"
So when does life begin, then? Conception? Ejaculation? You can't define life as you see fit. There are no signs of life when most abortions occur, thus it's not alive. And if you're so intent on all life is sacred, why do most Pro-Lifers also support the death penalty?

"10) Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children"
And Christians never ever cheat.

old comment by Anonymous

1) in general fundies seem to be more okay with rape than atheists.

2)ditto on child abuse and murder

3)bestiality is not entirely healthy or societally accepted, but there are worse things.

4)you've got this backwards. it's organized religion that's killed millions over race and religious differences.

5)ever seen the "lying for jesus" award on this site? nominations for it are fairly common...

6)that's generally disapproved of, actually.

7)ditto.

8) again, fundies seem to be more okay with this than atheists.

9) abortion is a regrettable necessity, but the things being killed, while technically children, bear little resemblance to the 3-8 year old the term usually conjures up.

10) what the heck?
if there is no god then that sucks, but right and wrong would still exist

old comment by Napoleon the Clown

1) Read your fucking Bible you hypocrite.

2) See: 1)

3) Ditto.

4) READ YOUR GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING BIBLE YOU SHIT EATING MORON! *ahem*

5) If you can, why not us?

6) See: 5)

7) Well, seeing as how I've never stolen anything in my life...

8) Spanish Inquisition ring any bells? Hitler? Your Bible?

9) It isn't a baby by any accepted definition of the word when the vast majority of abortions are performed.

10) Atheists have a lower divorce rate than average, jackass. Stop lying.

Of course, going with the fundie-licious "accept Jay-zus and be saved!1!1!111!11!!!!1" thing, you can get away with damn near anything and still get to heaven while people like Warren Buffet (an atheist and also the record holder for largest charitable donation ever, at over $30 billion, well over fifty percent of his net worth) go to hell. Cured cancer? You're atheist scum. Burn in hell, fucker. How just.

old comment by Madame Scarlet

Other "advantages" of being a Christian
There is no objective moral right and wrong so you can:

1) Rape women so long as you pay their father afterwards.

2) Kill children just because you don't like their parents.

3) Have sex with children in your congregation and have your followers defend you when you get caught.

4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or practice a different religion, including the wrong versions of Christianity.

5) Lie for Jesus.

6) Cheat on your taxes and be defended by your cult followers.

7) Convince people that if they don't give you a tenth of their money then God hates them and they're going to hell.

8) Murder abortion doctors and fags.

9) Beat children and call it tough love.

10) Cheat on your wife and she can't divorce you.

old comment by 484

1) Rape women and laugh about it to your friends.
Some women have submission fantasies, on rare occasions personal adds appear in the paper. I might be interested to give it a shot, but I have no interest in actually forcing myself on someone.
2) Kill children just for the fun of it.
Sodom, Gomorrah, Egypt, Isaac, off the top of my head.
3) Have sex with animals.
I don't want to, but I'm not going to judge.
4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or are religious.
The Inquisition, the Holocaust, the Klan, the little jihad, The Crusades, just to name a few.
5) Lie.
Perjury and Libel are crimes even if you don't believe in God.
6) Cheat.
Cheating on your taxes is a a fucking felony. Cheating in monopoly just makes you an ass.
7) Steal.
Is a crime, you can be prosecuted for it.
8) Murder.
Will land your ass in prison until you die.
9) Kill babies and call it abortion and dehumanize those being killed.
And in the bible, they wait until their born to kill them.
10) Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children
There are only two acceptable reasons to cheat on your wife. 1: If she becomes frigid and you have to fuck other women to meet your needs in a desperate attempt to keep the marriage together for the sake of your kids. 2: You talk her into a threesome (MAJOR man-points).

old comment by melange

1) Since, theists NEVER do anything like that. Except for the nutty ones that go around raping and then killing women because they dressed a certain way. But then again those women "deserved" it since they were babylonian whores, right?

2) Yes, you hear it on the news all the time, eh? Another atheist just killed fifty children in their neighborhood. Homocidal behavior does not increase with likelihood among any religious group other than fanatics, which come in all colors, Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Hindu, etc.

3) Do you honestly think most atheists do that? If you do, you are sadly misinformed.

4) Like Hitler, Pinochet, Mugabe, and Botha? Oh wait, they're all Christian. Like the Shah and Saddam? Oh wait, they're both Muslim. Like Indira Ghandi? Oh wait, she was Hindu. See, the real problem here isn't any one religon, it's politicians.

5) - 8) See number two. No one has a monopoly on these behaviors. Also, judge not lest ye be judged.

9) There are pro-choice Christians, y'know. But you're so obsessed with your purity and purity of your faith that you can't see the shades of grey, let alone the colors. The alternative to abortion is birth control, which your ilk also vitrolically despises. You can't have you cake and eat it too, the rest of us live in the real world.

10) See two. That behavior is no more prevalent among Atheists than any other religious demographic.

old comment by Lithp

First let me say that your name is fitting. Now then:

Advantages to being a Fundie:

Right and wrong is decided by God:

1) Rape women and laugh about it to your friends~~~because women exist to be subservient sex slaves, anyway.

2) Kill unbelievers just for the fun of it

3) Have sex with animals~~~Just so long as Gawd says it's a-okay!

4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or religion~~~God hates sinners, afterall.

5) Lie~~~for Jay-sus!

6) Cheat~~~Whatever you have to do to beat those wretched Evilutionists, it's okay.

7) Steal~~~others' rights from them, to protect them from teh debbil.

8) Murder~~~just the unbelievers, of course.

9) Deny rape victims and mothers who aren't ready abortions because Gawd loves all the fetuses, but doesn't give a shit once they leave the womb.

10) Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children~~~Why not? You're the head of the household, afterall!

If Fundieism is true and right or wrong is decided by God, then the above actions can never be wrong; As long as they're backed by interpretation of the scripture. If there is a God, then there is plenty of justice for those killed: eternal torture and flaming agony!

old comment by Natasha

OK, so assuming you are a follower of the bible:
1. Rape women and laugh about it with your friends: Rape is not covered by one of the 10 commandments, but if you rape a women you must marry her. Deut 22:28-9 Sounds like permission to me.

2. Kill children for the fun of it: Lets see, Elijah, Abraham, Passover, birth of moses... there's a lot of child killing in the bible. Check Duet 21:20-21, Lev 20:9 and Exod 21:15 for permission.

3. Having sex with animals: honestly, I'm not sure if the bible covers this issue.

4. Kill people because they are different race or religion. Um, the crusades? Anyway, Christ instructs you to kill all non-christians in Luke 19:27

5-8. These are all covered by the ten commandments. But by my interpretation, it's only wrong to do that to jews.

9. I'm not sure what the bible says about abortion, but you are probably right in saying your God doesn't like it.

10. Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children. Well, according to Christ you will be rewarded for that, Matt 19:29 and Luke 14:26.

If you take your morality from the bible, you can justify many atrocities. If you want to be a good person you need to think about and develop your own sense of morality.

old comment by Swede

We humans have these things called "laws". They are the same for everyone in the country, whether you are religious or not. Most "laws" are based on common decency and the Golden Rule, both concepts are much older than Christianity. If you break a "law" the consequences are either paying a fine, or going to jail.

All atheists I have met have an internal moral. They ask themselves "would I like it if someone did this to me?" If the answer is no, they simply don't do it to others.

If atheism is true? Huh? It's a personal viewpoint, it can't be true or false. Conservatism can't be true or false either. It's just a way of looking at the world.

Most appropriate user-name in quite a while.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

The advantages of being an Atheist:

1) You don't embezzle funds and commit fraud like Jim Bakker.

2) You don't commit adultery like Jimmy Swaggart.

3) You don't condemn the activities of homosexuals, then exposed as a rent-boy hiring hypocrite like Ted Faggard.

4) You don't avoid paying your taxes like Kent Hovind.

5) You don't repeatedly take underage girls , take them over the state line and commit statutory rape like Tony Alamo.

6) You don't have sex with an underage girl like David J. Stewart.

7) You don't commit murder like Timothy McVeigh and Scott Roeder.

8) You don't murder millions of innocent people in a massive flood like God, as described in the Old Testament.

If Christianity is true, and there is no subjective right or wrong, then the above proves the superiority of Atheism. And (in the case of 8) why a 'God' (if such exists) should be tried and executed for crimes against humanity.

old comment by Ri Jayden

Other "advantages" of being an atheist
There is no objective moral right and wrong so you can:

1) Rape women and laugh about it to your friends this was done all over the OT in the bible. Also Christian frat boys do this too.
2) Kill children just for the fun of it
this was ALSO done all over the OT in the bible. Also done by child predators.
3) Have sex with animals Guess where this was done... That's right, in the bible!
4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or are religious I'm going to try my BEST not to Godwin here: "...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16
ONCE AGAIN-- in the bible!
5) Lie"Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart." In the bible again!
6) Cheat- Jacob cheated Esau out of his inheritance. (In the bible)Plus couples cheat on each other all the time
7) Steal Israelites pillaged EVERY town they came across during their 40 years in the wilderness (and after that too)
8) Murder The Christian god ALONE has committed so many murders it's RIDICULOUS! So DON'T get me STARTED!
10) Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children Actually, that's more common in CHRISTIAN households.
So, all in all STFU, GTFO the interwebs, and DAIF! Slowly

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Other "advantages" of being an atheist
There is no objective moral right and wrong so you can:

1) Rape women and laugh about it to your friends

2) Kill children just for the fun of it

3) Have sex with animals

4) Kill millions of people because they are a different race or are religious

5) Lie

6) Cheat

7) Steal

8) Murder

9) Kill babies and call it abortion and dehumanize those being killed

10) Cheat on your wife and abandon your own children

So basically what you are saying is that the only thing that is keeping you from raping women and laughing about it to your friends, killing children just for the fun of it, having sex with animals, killing millions of people because they are a different race or are religious, lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, killing babies, cheating on your spouse and abandoning your own children, is the fact that you believe in a God? What a rank piece of human genetic waste you are.

old comment by katie5000

There are a lot more atheists in society than you think, and if this were true, these things would be happening a lot more frequently. They aren't. So what does that tell you?

1-8: No, and 10 is despicable.
9: Abortions have been going on for thousands of years - they are not a recent phenomenon. What is a recent phenomenon is our almost exponential medical knowledge growth, that allows women to get a procedure performed that is reliable, relatively safe, and disease-free. Technology - if you allow it - has also enabled us to avoid the procedure altogether by coming up with drugs and devices that simply prevent pregnancy from occurring in the first place. No pregnancy = no abortion.

Personally, I would much rather put my money into promoting and distributing contraception to people who don't wish to get pregnant than put my money into abortions for women who already are. But, if a woman is going to get an abortion, then I would want her to be able to do it safely. I mean, after all, you can't repent if you're dead, right, fundie?

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