The immaculate conception of the historical man, Jesus Christ, has been scientifically shown to be possible!
On the contrary, it is not crap, it is called 'parthenogenesis' 59 comments
Not wholly nonsensical- but wouldn't that explain away, not advocate, the spiritual side of it?
i.e. if it occurred it was a scientific fluke, not divine intervention?
I'm sure there are enough intelligent people on FFI (one) that someone would have smacked this pile of stupid down, so I won't bother here.
I will add that he is implying that Mary was a leasbian.
So XX can mutate into a XY? Otherwise, how else you would get Jesus being a guy?!!
You fail at Biology. Please actually pick up a textbook on basic biology.
Parthenogenesis happens in some types of life. It has been observed very rarely in sharks and birds, but not as far as I can find in mammals and certainly never even once in primates. There are also some animals that are all female and reproduce like this, like the whiptail species Cnemidophorus neomexicanus.
However, let's assume for a moment that it is possible in humans and we just don't know it, and that it was responsible for a virgin birth of Jesus. We then have to conclude that there is a plausible explanation for the virgin birth and, rather than being the divine son of God, Jesus literally had no father. He wasn't divine at all, just a fluke of evolution.
So then, are you sure that is your final answer?
Parthenogenesis is a scientific concept applied to
a)biology, the reproduction of certain species(jellyfishes, some starfishes, etc................). Not mammals, of course
b)as a mythological concept. It happened to Athenea, the goddess you supposedly don't believe.
And finally, Mary had begotten a son thanks to the holy ghost and it was supposed to be a miracle. The inmaculate conception refers to HER, to Mary, who was sinless and conceived so. I guess that you haven't looked in a dictionary for AGES.
Mary was asexual? Joseph must have loved that. I don't believe she was fully human then, which would make the whole concept of a virgin birth even more off. Plants and some animals reproduce this way; how did a woman manage it 2000 years ago? What was she cross bred with?
Not to mention the fact that this being the reason for the virgin birth would eliminate any and all divinity. Therefore, you ruin your own argument.
Again, it's amazing how you people renounce science until you can dig up something that may support your cause. Unfortunately, science doesn't work that way.
The pieces have to fit into the puzzle. You can't just shuffle to puzzle to make it as you want it to be, jamming pieces in here and there just because you can.
On the contrary, it is not crap, it is called
Was that a word you heard a grown up use?
So Jesus was born through this method, but went around claiming to be male?
Jesus Christ: First transman in history.
Poor guy. No reassignment surgery back then. :-(
I thought something like this was possible, but it always resulted in a female.
"It is highly doubtful that artificial human parthenogenesis would be used to reproduce humans, due to technical (see imprinting below) concerns. Use of an electrical or chemical stimulus can produce the beginning of the process of parthenogenesis in the asexual development of viable offspring." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis
I too have heard this .. on the history channel no less.
Apparently it would require Mary to be not only a mutant but a man or at least a hermaphrodite (since Jesus was supposed to be a man, Mary would have had to supply the Y chromosome) and a species of lizard (being the only vertebrates known to have ever reproduced this way.. though they are all females)
Needless to say, I watch that channel less now.
Cartman is Jesus!?!
In humans, parthenogenesis, even if possible, would only produce females. In any event, that would make Jesus wholly the son of Mary, not the son of God; so it's contrary to scripture.
There ARE a few women out there who have a third chromosome in their 23rd pair, so that their full set would be described as "XXY".
If such a woman were (hypothetically) to conceive an embryo through parthenogenesis, the Y chromosome
could come to the fore and make the offspring male.
... or maybe, just maybe, the early Christians made the whole thing up.
Hmmm... let's see- other ways to knock up a chick and she remains a virgin...
1) Artificial insemination
2) In vitro fertilization
3) Jesus was an alien fetus "beamed" into her womb.
Number three, if it were true, would cause so much chaos and uproar, it wouldn't be funny- it would be hilarious!
Jesus was a jellyfish. And landmark is no theologian.
The immaculate conception of Mary (born without Original Sin) is not the same as the virgin birth of Jesus (god as father, human as mother - much like Namor, Prince of Atlantis).
Landmark is a heretic and will fry in hell for that.
since Jesus was a guy , that makes parthenogensis unlikely.
Have you considered that The holy spirit just has a long very very thin dick ?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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