Re: I think WGTOW and MGTOW have a *lot* more in common than both sides think, and I would argue that both group's fights are the same.

(fatfinger357)
I am quite satisfied and happy as a WGTOW but then the MGTOWs keep coming in to this sub and start brigading and hating on us. We are just women going our own way and these MGTOWs come here and they are not going their own way.
There is too much misogyny in MGTOW for there to be any peace. It is far better to just block them and shield them from life. It's far too risky to be with men, especially the MGTOW kind. Once they know you're a woman, the abuse and harassment is on you, and in real life men are more or less the same, trying to dominate you and take over and control you. It makes sense of course because men naturally produce testosterone, so that makes them violent and abusive, so it's not exactly their fault, but I feel as a woman it is safer to protect myself with WGTOW than bother with useless things like relationships.
Of course for a fat person, the "no pain no gain" principle applies. A fat person needs to eat fresh fruits and vegetables, high fiber, and they need to exercise a lot, and for a lot if people this is not easy, so they need to go through pain in order to reduce their risk of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, and cancer.
However, men are different. Men are not like losing weight. Losing weight actually achieves something. However, with men, if you put in a lot of effort to apply makeup and appease men and make them feel good and give them intimacy, then what do you get from them? Nothing. Most women spend so much time and effort on others than she neglects herself so that, as she grows up, she ends up with less wealth. I'd rather just focus on myself and do what I want rather than sacrifice myself for men. For too long women have sacrificed themselves for ungrateful men. We need to listen to what we want.

(violetreva)
That's where you're wrong! I'm sorry to disappoint you but this is a liberal fantasy and I have no intention of reassimilating into male society ever again. Women are not men. Men are not women. We are not in the same boat. Men oppress women. We do not belong together in any capacity. They can have mars and we can have venus, quite literally. Separatism FTW.

(day01x)
I was just thinking about this on reading a post in another WGTOW thread. One in particular mentioned that "men cannot conceive of a non-transactional relationship", and that everything is about "value" with them. This is the exact language used in MGTOW, too.
Men and women are 'valued' for different attributes, but they are both valued ruthlessly. You can debate the details of which particular group of people have it worse, and while that discussion may be worth having, that's not the point I want to make here.
I think what MGTOW and WGTOW have in common isn't just personal experience, it's a reaction to how brutally dehumanising society can be.
It's as though the idea of the "free market" has entered into sexual relationships. We've adopted the consumer mindset in our social lives. Social media and dating websites exacerbate this, but the mentality was developing long before. We ignore the substance of a person in favour of a good profile. We pay attention not to how they make us feel or think but on an abstract collective value, as though the only measure of their worth is how much others want them.
Think of the kind of relationships that would result from this setting. Imagine what happens to the people who don't, can't, or won't fit into that kind of environment.

(DangZagnut)
I don't hate women, I don't even hate feminism, not that I won't shit post about women or feminists posting outrageously bizarre things into the internet. I also do it with stupid men doing stupid things.
I just prefer to be by myself and traveling the world and having adventures, rather than marriage and children. Children smell and marriage seems like it limits everyone in that equation to a life of exceptional mediocrity.
I've never had a bad relationship. Sometimes they end, and in my relationships, maturely and with both sides realizing its time to move on and no hard feelings.
I encourage WGTOW to go their own way and not be bound by societal conventions. You don't have to be bitter to be WGTOW any more than you have to be hurt and bitter to be MGTOW. Sure, some come to a MGTOW conclusion because they've been hurt, and I'd wish they embraced it from a more positive place, but to each their own.
I don't see any "solution", because I don't really see any "problem" in the first place. To say that either of those exist implies that there's something inherently wrong with going your own way in life, and setting your own path to happiness.

(CasualPie)
There's a bit of difference between "I'm tired of the system because it sucks" and "I'm keeping the hell away from the system because it could legally ruin my life".
In your listing of the disaffected guys, you forgot to list the ones legally destroyed through divorce settlement, child custody arrangement, false rape/assault/abuse accusation, etc.
One of MGTOWs reasons for GTOWing isn't just that the game sucks, it's that the game is mortally dangerous and supported by the legal system.
Hunger games, relationship edition.
I am not disaffected by personal experience. I am MGTOW because of all of the failed, fucked up, and ruinous relationships I've seen in others.
Being in the army, I've seen countless relationships destroyed from women cheating and/or abusing their power of attorney while the guy is deployed. I've seen guys in college get thrown in jail for decades for hooking up with girls when they were both wasted drunk. I've heard countless guys complain that they can't do what they once loved doing because their SO/fiancée/wife doesn't like that they spend so much time on it, hell, my own mother is on her third marriage (I love my mom, but it's hard to believe in marriage when your own mother changes them out every 10-20 years)!
Worst of all, I've heard girls joke about this stuff. "Oh, if it sucks I can change my mind about it, I always have a few glasses of wine to loosen up", "if he breaks up with me I'll tell everyone he was abusive to me", "not paying attention to me is abuse right? : yeah it is!".
When society can casually joke about throwing people in jail over poor personal choices and changed minds, I will eagerly avoid it.