I remember watching lions devour a zebra on a nature show, and thinking to myself -- so this is what nature has become -- a cruel, uncaring, brutal struggle where everyone is looking out for themselves. [...]
But some day Jesus is going to fix it. The lion will lay down beside the lamb and have molars in his mouth. This is what the bible tells me.
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So this is why fundies don't believe in evolution. Because evolution dictates that the world is in fact a cruel, uncaring, brutal struggle where everyone is looking out for themselves, and they don't want to admit that. Either that or they just refuse to acknowledge that reality and the bible often disagree.
"But some day Jesus is going to fix it."
But, as usual, Jesus is terribly behind schedule. He told everyone he'd be right back, within the lifetimes of some of those listening to him nearly two thousand years ago. Sadly, Jesus' watch has stopped, he's browsing in the frankincense & myrrh shop, and he's just lost track of time.
"The lion will lay down beside the lamb and have molars in his mouth."
The molars of the just consumed lamb, no doubt.
"This is what the bible tells me."
The Bible tells me that it is mostly hogwash and you're a dipshit.
Berny: There are a couple of places in Isaiah that talks about natural enemies like this laying down together. For instance:
11:6 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."
Of course, there is a whole bunch of other bullshit in the Bible about other subjects, too.
... so this is what nature has become -- a cruel, uncaring, brutal struggle where everyone is looking out for themselves.
Yep. Survival and procreation of the fittest, baby. By the way, nature has always been like this. It's the reason why you have that big brain up there. Too bad you're not using it though.
Now now, MercyBurst - nature didn't "become" like that. It was condemned to be like that by God's own curse! Yep, read your Bible carefully and you'll find that all because Adam and Eve ate a piece of fruit that God so clumsily left in their midst, not unlike an incompetent Bond villain, God decided that not only would humans die, but that everything in the world would die. It wasn't inevitable either. God could have said, "Well I'll just turn you ignant again and we'll have a do-over..." or could have just blasted Adam and Eve into ashes and made new humans, or said "Gotcha, learned a lesson now dincha?" but no... God had to be an ass and make everything in the world die.
Nice.
So MercyBurst is capable to feel some sympathy... (or something that isn't hate, if you prefer). Too bad it's toward imaginary herbivorous predators. His homophobia, OTOH, seems as strong as ever.
It is called "survival of the fittest", where nothing or nobody shows any mercy. It's a disease. All the other symptoms go with it -- stealing, homosexuality, rape, murder, you name it -- beasts have little conscience. Get in the water with a crocodile, and you will find out.
No, you're misunderstanding the poor animal. Go talk to him and you'll find out that he's eager to help humanity. You won't be there to see it, but rest assured that humanity will be better off.
This is priceless.
And I walked outside and looked at the long grass in my yard and I told my mom, "So this is what nature has become? An out-of-control carpet of continually growing plants and weeds that have to be tended to on a weekly or bi-weekly basis?"
"But some day Jebus is going to fix it. Then the world will have an adjustable foliage that can be set on 'low' so I don't have to mow. Of course all of the herbivours will die though."
What are you talking about? The lion already has molars!
Nature has always been a struggle: if you don't eat, you die. Very simple, isn’t it! Think about this the next time you sit down to a chicken and ribs barbecue.
MK: Actually, death seems to have already been present in Eden. If I recall correctly, God didn't curse them with death for eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge; he expelled them from Eden so they couldn't also get their hands on the fruit of the Tree of Life "and live forever," which means they already were mortal to begin with.
And regarding the original post: Nature has been like this for eons, ever since one-celled organisms could consume other one-celled organisms ("red in cilia and pseudopod"?). It hasn't "become" like that; it has always been like that.
~David D.G.
*FACEPALM*
You don't realize that nature has ALWAYS been like this. ALLLLLWAYS.
Oh, and to kill 2 birds with one stone, for a lion to have molars, evolution must occur! (Just in case you think that Jesus is also a magical dentist)
How about we put you in a pit of lions, and you can pray and pray, and we'll see if your faith is strong enough to force a weird evolutionary change on the lion to save your life! I think this is a good way to test whether your theories are doable ;)
How about we put you in a pit of lions, and you can pray and pray, and we'll see if your faith is strong enough to force a weird evolutionary change on the lion to save your life! I think this is a good way to test whether your theories are doable ;)
Didn't work for the fundie who attempted it a few months ago (I think it was in Russia, or somewhere in Eastern Europe). But I'm sure that MercyBurst's faith will be stronger... :P
Nature is a mother, as they say. If you don't like that, MercyBurst, off yourself right now. The planet can use the compost.
"The lion will lay down beside the lamb and have molars in his mouth."
To be perfectly fair, a carnivore's molars are properly referred to as carnassials (I believe that's the proper spelling) so I can see the point that he's trying to make, even if it is complete bullshit.
I remember watching lions devour a zebra on a nature show, and thinking to myself -- so this is what nature has become...
Did you? That might have been me.
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I thought it was tasty, myself.
...cruel, uncaring, brutal struggle where everyone is looking out for themselves. [...]
No, mate. It's always been like that. Now can I eat you or are you going to keep talking?
But some day Jesus is going to fix it.
Tell you what, mate. I'll wait until you're sick and weak. Then we'll see whether Jesus is around to fix it.
The lion will lay down beside the lamb and have molars in his mouth.
Look, mate, it'll take a little more than a set of new teeth before I can eat vegetables. I'd need a new digestive tract too.
This is what the bible tells me.
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Thank you.
Mm! Tasty!
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I mean, couldn't God and Jesus, his earthly manifestation, have done it already, so we can save time?
And you call yourself a consirvative?
"so this is what the republican party has become -- a cruel, uncaring, brutal struggle where everyone is looking out for themselves."
[There, fixed]
You know, my cat was just saying a related thing to me the other day...
Kitty: Oh how I wish I were not a carnivore involved in a cruel, uncaring, brutal struggle - A struggle, by the way, you must feel, every time you eat some MEAT!
Kitty's in therapy now.
Part of his cure (and this is with his therapist's approval) involves Kitty undergoing dental surgery... I understand the molars will work very well...
Actually, Fundie, since neither Lions nor Zebra ever ate from the tree of knowledge, they have no concept of Good or Evil, so cannot be sinners. They are doing what your GOD created them to do.
kthnxbi
Isn't 'lie down with' babble speak for 'fuck'?
Anyway, since when was the babble a text book on dentition?
Don't lions already have molars?
Ah, so that's why fundamentalism and greed go so well together. Someday Jesus will fix everything, but until then ahm gonna grab me all I can, yeehaw!
"But some day Jesus is going to fix it"
Why would your "perfect" god need to fix anything? Are you saying your "perfect" god didn't make the world and everything in it perfectly? That the world and mankind he created "in his own image" is fucked up? Your "perfect" god didn't make a "perfect" world and because of that had to impregnate a human so as to give birth to himself so he could sacrifice himself to himself to save mankind from rules he created in the first place? Didn't your god already kill everyone and everything except one drunk and his family and some animals in an attempt to "fix it" once before? Why didn't that flood fix it? He really can't get anything right even when he tries multiple times, can he? He couldn't make a perfect world, and when mankind he perfectly created in his own image didn't act perfectly, he killed almost everyone with a flood to try to fix it. That didn't fix it, so he has to come down AGAIN to try to fix it? Are you sure he can fix it this time? He couldn't fix it the first couple of times, why should we expect him to fix it now?
(*In Sir David Attenborough -esque voice-over *):
...and here we see the Ovis Fundiensis - or the Fundie Sheeple - in their natural habitat: the Echo Chamber that is the Christain Forum.
Bleating their talking points, all walking in lockstep to the shearing shed... I mean 'Church', where they will be fleeced by their 'shepherd'; 'Collections' and 'Tithes'.
Their numbers are dwindling, fortunately, as their offspring went off to greener pastures after 2012: as they no longer bleat along with their woolly-headed parents, instead they lay down with the Wolf: Canis Atheistus .
All that is consumed by the latter are the former Ovis Fundiensis ' 'Faith': as they see Reality. The latter join the pack. They too become [I]Canis Atheistus[/I], and survive.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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