But most psychologists "are" unethical in todays age. The same counselors who only ten fifteen years ago warned against children being raised in single parent homes because they needed a mother and father to have the right balance of masculinity and femininity to have a healthy relationship/healthy childhood. These same crocks are now saying that children will be fine if raised by two men or two women. That's soooooo wrong! And SUCH a double standard. It's only because of society making being gay political that every public figure is eager to jump behind it. I can imagine many of these "activist" types would probably be less than charitable if their own children came out. It's not fair to ask a parent to accept their sons sin. If they truly love them they will not give an inch in that regard. Society calls it discrimination/bigotry/hatred yet in reality it is simply love. Pure and unpolluted love. Society has lost track of that big time.
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Well, SaintPatrick333 wouldn't be the first person in history to argue that "domination is love".
I bet he believes, it, too, that's the sad thing. A lot of people can deceive themselves into thinking that dominating people and controlling them and inflicting pain is somehow "loving" them.
The view of what is best has changed based on new information. We alter our undertanding to match observable reality.
Furether, we are asking the parents to accept therir children as the people they are, just like Jesus taught us. Seuality is what you are, not what you do!
Well, technically, having two mothers or two father means you don't have a single parent, doesn't it? That's the catch here.
++"The same counselors who only ten fifteen years ago warned against children being raised in single parent homes because they needed a mother and father to have the right balance of masculinity and femininity to have a healthy relationship/healthy childhood. These same crocks are now saying that children will be fine if raised by two men or two women."
Probably because we've since realized that there's no such thing as "the right balance" of masculinity and femininity. There's merely one's personal balance.
++"That's soooooo wrong! And SUCH a double standard."
"How?" and "how???" , respectively. Seriously -- I don't think you understand what a double standard is. It is not merely any standards or beliefs with which you do not agree. It has to be hypocritical. As a Christian you really ought to be familiar with this, given that they comprise the vast majority of your instruction book (and argument, for that matter).
++"I can imagine many of these "activist" types would probably be less than charitable if their own children came out."
Stop projecting your shortcomings as a parent onto the rest of us. Especially of those of us standing in exact] opposition to you on the matter.
++"Society calls it discrimination/bigotry/hatred yet in reality it is simply love."
Sure it is. Much like society calls arsenic a deadly poison yet in reality it is simply alternative medicine.
Well Patrick, I think your a total asshole and I hope you fall over and die, painfully. Don't worry though, I only think that because of my love for you, pure and unpolluted.
The stats on such things are always presented dishonestly anyway.
Presenting a number of Juvenile delinquents raised in a single parent home means nothing without the counter of well balanced children raised the same way and kids that would have been better off without one of their parents.
It's a Fox news trick to say things like "24% of single parent children will be in trouble with the law by 18" without telling you that church going two parent kids from middle class wonderful America also track such numbers.
Lots of Pat's fellow Christians regard the RCC as sinful and not really a religion. So what if, purely out of love you understand, they start beating anyone who comes out of an Roman Catholic Church or starts burning churches. It's all just pure love.
"If they truly love them they will not give an inch in that regard. Society calls it discrimination/bigotry/hatred yet in reality it is simply love. "
Yes, and war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.
Hate is love.
Ignorance is wisdom.
Slavery is freedom.
Also, thanks for pointing out that psychiatrists actually, y'know, change their methods and advice to suit the times. That's how science works, motherfucker. It ain't like the Bible, which says the same shit for thousands of years (except when it gets translated, or re-interpreted along the same lines) and is adhered to blindly and without criticism or second thought. Facts don't change, but our awareness of them does.
Then again, I bet people like you are still sore over psychiatrists disproving things like "female hysteria" (a diagnosis that meant anything from actual schizophrenia to a woman refusing to be raped) or the idea that masturbation causes insanity.
Because there's never been a home where the mother takes on the role associated with fathers and the father has been more maternal. Wouldn't it be "pure love" to break up such heterosexual households? Or maybe this post "is" crap.
I can imagine many of these "activist" types would probably be less than charitable if their own children came out.
Why not ask one?
Yes, that love is so pure and unpolluted that it leads Catholic (and other) parents to disown their children, throw them out of the house, and force them into a life of crime, drugs and prostitution on the streets for the sheer effrontery of coming out to them.
If that's "love," I don't want to see your idea of "hate."
"the right balance of masculinity and femininity to have a healthy relationship/healthy childhood."
So it's vitally important for people to have the right amount of bravado or fashion sense, to have the right amount of appreciation/nonappreciation of musicals, opera, hunting, video games, or do you mean something more specific and more important when you say masculinity and femininity?
Otherwise you're talking about something that varies between cultures, in fact does so by definition since masculinity and femininity are just what is traditionally associated with the male and female genders. In New Guinea there's a tribe where men are fashion-obsessed and women less so. Does the healthy balance change from culture to culture?
"It's not fair to ask a parent to accept their sons sin."
But it's just fine for your prick of a God to declare that the sins of the father be visited on the son, right?
I'm going to say something to you that I haven't said since high school:
Chew my left nut!
Other people are able to raise better children than you without following the advice of a 2,000 year old book. Deal with it, stop attacking families that work just because they're better than yours, and become a better parent.
A: Don't call yourself a saint if all you can muster is hate.
B: Catholic position that being gay isn't a sin in of itself. (Fornication is in all forms, and gays can't marry to remove the sin of fornication.) It's the act, not the thought. They also believe it's an inborn thing, just not something you can act on.
C: Catholic position also includes things like absolution for sins and forgiveness being a big deal. So even if they have committed the sin of fornication, well, forgiveness is a form of acceptance.
That's not even getting into how messed up you are from a secular perspective.
As long as you have both men and women in the near family/friend group, children manage fine with a single parent or with two parents of the same gender.
Maybe they THOUGHT it was detrimental, fifteen years ago, but research has since shown that it's not bad for you to grow up in a single-parent family, as long as that parent is loving and engaged. I'd say most really "damaged" kids grow up in mother+father families where the parents are anything but loving and engaged.
You homophobes are the ones making being gay political. The rest of us say that they are just normal people, like you and me, and ought to be treated accordingly.
Sin is an arbitrary concept, it doesn't exist. I'd much rather have a gay son than a selfish son. If you truly loved him, would you also not give an inch in the regard of hair- and beard-cutting?
No, no, no, no, no! Ostracizing your own flesh and blood for something they were born with is NOT love, but hatred, bigotry and discrimination.
The Catholic position would, indeed, say that disowning your son under such circumstances is "pure and unpolluted love." Stomach-turning, isn't it?
Uhh...how did completely you miss the detail that those 15 years old comparison were made between single parent families and two-parent families, not between two parent families where both parents were of opposite genders and two parent families where both parents were of the same gender?
(BTW, in teh last several years that latter comparison has been made, finding that children raised in two-parent households where both parents are of the same gender do just as well--if not better--than children raised in two-parent households where both parents are of the opposite gender)
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