The TEACHERS of evolution (unwittingly, at least usually) encourage dishonesty, murder, rape, stealing, etc. Beliefs lead to actions. If one believes that “God does not see” their actions - this encourages some behaviors over others. Honesty is definitely NOT encouraged when one ascribes to evolutionary beliefs. Evolution also teaches the opposite of “Honor your Father and your Mother” (Fifth Commandment) when it implies/teaches that the future is in the offspring, so that one should concentrate on the children. Evolution teaches values.
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And I still stand by the statement that if the only reason why you have any morals at is due to you thinking some big bad guy in the sky will punish and torture you for all eternity, then you're a sick, sad puppy.
Bollocks.
"editor" might well need the fear of an Invisible Big Sky Daddy to curb his own urges towards "dishonesty, murder, rape, stealing, etc" but thankfully the majority of sane adults, whether atheist or otherwise, do not.
Evolution has nothing to do with morality.
Also, it's possible to believe in evolution and a God at the same time.
Also, people that don't believe in gods do good things because they are good things. It's not necessary to be threatened with the wrath of an invisible man in the sky in order to behave.
"...encourage dishonesty, murder, rape, stealing, etc"
Go read the Old Testament sometime. That sounds stikingly simular to an old diety therein.
I've read the rest of his message, and the guy conception of evolution is very striking: he sure thinks that evolution is a kind of religion... does he really believes that if somebody is knowledgeable enough to acknowledge a theory, he SHOULD act accordingly to what the theory says?
The TEACHERS of privacy (unwittingly, at least usually) encourage dishonesty, murder, rape, stealing, etc. Beliefs lead to actions. If one believes that “Big Brother is not watching” their actions - this encourages some behaviors over others. Honesty is definitely NOT encouraged when one ascribes to privacy beliefs. Privacy also teaches the opposite of “Sexcrime doubleplusungood” when it implies/teaches that sex is not just for the offspring, so that one should have sex for fun. Privacy teaches values.
Evolution also teaches the opposite of “Honor your Father and your Mother” (Fifth Commandment) when it implies/teaches that the future is in the offspring, so that one should concentrate on the children.
What??? This doesn't even make any sense. "Concentrate on the children?" What the hell does that even mean?
Saying that the young generation instead of the old people will be responsible for giving birth to the next generation after them has nothing to do with not honoring your parents.
If one believes that “God does not see” their actions - this encourages some behaviors over others.
Even if this were true, which it isn't, what would it have to do with evolution? Evolution doesn't deny the existence of God.
Dr. Cox if you would.
COX: WRONG, WRONG WRONG, WRONG. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. YOU'RE WRONG! YOU'RE WRONG!
(BTW, does anyone know how to link with the hypertext?)
WRONG. Evolution is the composite theory that, among other things, modern humans and other great apes shared a common ancestor.
WRONG. Evolution is not a belief system.
WRONG. Evolution does not teach values, Secular Humanism does.
Gimme a break, "editor". God zombies do not have a lock on honesty.
Whereas the Bible teaches parents to not love and care for their children?
...oh, yeah... Abraham, right...
Well, how do you explain the Crusades, for example?, or how the Bible condones rape and genocide?...............or, to put it more simply, are you saying that death, wars, murders or rapes didn't appear until evolution(remember, 1860)was mentioned?. And concerning the future and the role of the offspring, do you think that humans are supposed to live forever?, again, who's the future?. Amazing how people skip this important things before critisising what to teach and what not.
Got any facts/statistics to back your claim with "editor"?
Last time I checked, religion had a far worse effect on people than teaching evolution. Allow me to prove:
Of course those are only a few side effects of religious indoctrination.
PS: What's so bad about a parent investing their energy into their children to ensure they become law-abiding, productive citizens? Is there something you have against productive people? Or are you just jealous because you clearly didn't get any worthwhile attention as a child?
The tired old argument goes like this: stealing extra resources, raping and hence having more offspring, killing competitors, etc give an evolutionary benefit to the individual.
The reason it doesn't fucking work that way is because it benefits the individual but it is to the detriment of society as a whole, leading, respectively, to resource shortages, genetic stagnation and falling population, and thus society either evolves control such things, or rots away and collapses. Any healthy society ultimately trumps the individual.
That should be good enough an answer even to someone without empathy or self-determined morality (like, say, the average fundie).
What on earth makes you think those who accept evolution also believe that "god does not see" their actions?
The theists will believe that God sees, the atheists don't believe there is anyone watching. Do you actually believe that scientists accept evolution because they think it will somehow prevent your god from seeing their crimes?
Checked out the original content - it is from some dude who is serving time in prison in Idaho. What is it about Idaho? Move to Idaho, lose your brain, and become a stupid fundie?
Now, to the point, did any one catch the dichotomy of the last sentence? "Evolution teaches values." Did this individual not waste a bunch of space on how horrible evolution is ... and then put that "Evolution teaches values." .
And what does evolution have to do with honoring your father and mother? I am teaching my children respect for their elders and manners ... AND ... evolution. There is no connection.
Fine, let's talk honesty.
What you're saying here is that 'evolutionists', although they supposedly encourage such horrible acts, do not do so according to an agenda (otherwise it wouldn't be unwittingly). You also as much as admit that you do have an agenda.
Isn't it funny how the way you portray things here magically fits your own agenda? Why can't you take the next step, taking your own advice and be fucking honest about your motives for once instead of pretending that your agenda is nothing more or less than fact?
#296271: "... does he really believes that if somebody is knowledgeable enough to acknowledge a theory, he SHOULD act accordingly to what the theory says?"
Dang! Wish I'd never heard of the theory of gravity. Then I wouldn't drop stuff or fall down so often.
I am curious as to how honesty doesn't apply when one prescribes to evolutionary beliefs? How does telling the truth impact my body's reaction to changes within the environment around me?
so that one should concentrate on the children.
Generally, most parents do devote their a large portion of their time and resources to their children. You know, love has that impact on people.
So, what you're saying is that fear of divine retribution is the only thing keeping you in check (though it didn't stop Hovind)? And somehow, the theory of evolution - well, your misinformed concept of it - if true, would destroy your faith in God and therefore send you on a murderous rape/robbery spree?
And you also think it's a BAD thing for parents to care for their children?
Something tells me you should see a therapist.
Gravitational theory leads to jumping off things and dying, or pushing others to their death.
Germ theory leads to disease and intentionally infecting people with disease.
Atomic theory leads to atomic war!
Big Bang theory will cause the universe to explode!
(Have I reached fundie-level stupidity yet?)
You're right, evolution does teach values, that is, if evolution=atheism. One of these is independence, and the knowledge that there is no invisible flying avenger, so we, as people who actually exist, are responsible for the care of others. We are all we have, editor. We don't, and we can't, just sit around talking to ourselves.
i]Evolution also teaches the opposite of “Honor your Father and your Mother” (Fifth Commandment), when it implies/teaches that the future is in the offspring, so that one should concentrate on the children.
That's funny, I thought that the reason for honoring your parents was because they raised you....
Weird.
I'm sure there's some twisted, tortured chain of fundie logic behind that, which maybe 5 fundies actually know (and the rest just parrot the end conclusion)
If it's as entertaining as flat earths, water flooding from underground chambers, impossibly large arcs (which weren't actually so large because there were micro evolutions), satan planting fossils/radioisotopes to trick us, etc. etc., I'd like to hear it. There could be many lulz to be had :)
I also advocate eating small children, invading Australia and the abolition of reality TV.
And the homosexual rape gangs are strictly extra-curricular I assure you.
I'm with dworkin on the abolition of reality TV.
And maybe invading Australia, but only to go on holiday.
Have you ever read the book "Good Omens"? Hilarious, but with a good point at the end. If people stopped thinking that problems are solved after death, maybe they'll try to solve their own problems during life.
Nekronomicon: "And I still stand by the statement that if the only reason why you have any morals at is due to you thinking some big bad guy in the sky will punish and torture you for all eternity, then you're a sick, sad puppy."
Indeed. And an immoral one - avoiding wrongdoing through fear of punishment is not morality. It is merely expedience. Avoiding wrongdoing through the belief that it is de facto wrong is morality. And no sky fairies are needed.
Atheism teaches we're the only ones here. We're obligated to help each other with our own two hands because there are no other hands.
Evolution makes no statement about the existence/non-existence of god. You infer, evolution just implies.
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