Here's an unpopular opinion: I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations.
And more importantly: The benefit of all of us getting to finally tell the truth + the impact on victims FAR outweigh the loss of any one man's reputation.
Sorry. If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.
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While rape is obviously worse, false accusations can still truly ruin peoples lives, destroying all their relationships, there jobs, and possibly causing them to be sent to prison. To not be concerned by such a thing is just horrible.
Willingly condemning innocent people undermines any claim you have to wanting the truth and wanting justice on behalf of other women. No, you're just a selfish and cruel bitch that wants to see any man suffer to fulfill your need for vengeance against them, punishment for all the perceived wrongs they have done only in your eyes.
You don't give a shit about the victims or about justice, you just want blood.
That's a complex one, but the innocent out of Outreau are WTFing you, Emily.
Several innocent suspects had nevertheless spent years jailed on remand and one died while in prison.
@Emily Lindin
Sorry. If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.
NKVD agent in the 1930's Ukraine: "Sorry. If some innocents' lives have to take a hit in the process of undoing capitalism, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay."
And I don't think you view yourself to have to pay this price but that you might have a future career in the North Korean judiciary.
@Glandu
Several innocent suspects had nevertheless spent years jailed on remand and one died while in prison.
The one who died having killed himself in prison.
Cool, so when are you going to prison? Yes, you? You see, as the notion that women can't rape men is also a product of patriarchy, I assume you'd like for it to disappear as well. And what other way to do that than fill prisons with females rapists, whether actual or not? Since you are willing for innocent people's lives to be destroyed to defeat patriarchy, I believe you will have no problem with your life being destroyed the same way, Miss.
And when women endure life changing strain and trauma if their friends, spouses, or family are falsely accused of rape or sexual assault, I'm sure you'll ignore them and keep crowing about how you're helping women.
We should absolutely keep investigating and punishing sexual assault on all levels. But we should do it in a way that is legal and fair, not in a way that would make 17th century Salem proud.
So where have you been since 1960? I am talking to Emily and ALL the women out there.
The benefit of all of us getting to finally tell the truth...
You have always been able to tell the truth. WHY DIDN’T YOU? You have a voice. USE IT. At the risk of sounding like a rape apologist, I feel that when men do small offenses and women let them get away with it, it's sort of like raising a child without ever telling him the difference between right and wrong. Then you find yourself with a snotty, uncontrollable teenager on your hands, and it's your own damn fault. Well, men often act like they're still in the snotty teenager phase. Their mothers didn't raise them to behave, but if we don't speak up and tell them forcibly to keep their hands to themselves, can we really complain if they never learn the lesson?
Here's an unpopular opinion: I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations.
I am. I want women to be heeded and to be believed when they protest against sexual harassment. That means we should protest only when we have a legitimate complaint. It will not do us any good to wreck our own credibility by crying "wolf".
It’s not going to destroy the patriarchy.
Quite the reverse.
If seven women tell their rape stories and one of them is caught lying, most of my goddamned gender will assume at least six if not seven are lying. They will lock arms and stand against the lying bitches. The burden of proof on the women making the complaint will be greater and steeper. Because all too many men don’t want women to win, and/or don’t want men to be punished for ‘getting a little action’ as Brock, the rapist, Turner’s dad testified. It’s making your goals harder to achieve.
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