Yes, we should have stayed out of both wars
FDR was hell-bent on dragging America into the conflict in Europe. Most Americans were against entering WWII. Provoking a fight with the Japanese was his best chance to so. FDR knew that the Japanese were planning to strike Pearl Harbor because he had been given decrypted diplomatic and naval message traffic in advance of the attack (William H. Friedman broke the Japanese "Purple" diplomatic cipher and Agnes Meyer Driscoll broke "Code Book D" of the Kaigun Ango system in 1940). FDR sat on the information in order to rally American support for entering the war. FDR allowed thousands of American sailors to die to promote his political agenda. The fact puts him on the level of Dubya in my eyes. For all the good that he did, FDR was a warmonger.
The founding fathers were clear about the use of military force. They did not want the U.S. to have a standing army. The only reason why they supported a standing Navy was piracy.
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a) That's fucking lies, b) So, you'd have been happy for Japan to overrun the whole Pacific basin, then? and c) Tell me again how FDR used his awesome mental powers to get Hitler to declare war on the USA.
I've heard arguments that FDR encroached on what Japan thought of as their part of the world, perhaps with the intent of provoking an incident. But this little conspiracy theory has never made sense: the Commander in Chief of the armed forces gathers a large amount of his air and sea power -- which he anticipates using fairly shortly -- all in one place knowing it's going to be blown to hell? I think not.
This is just stupid. This, along with 9/11, is born out of the idea of America being the greatest and mightiest country in the world and it's inconceivable that someone could carry out a successful attack against it. The truth is that we can be pretty vulnerable.
Tired old conspiracy theories. And if he knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor, wouldn't that have been reason enough to go to war?
If you want to know the reason for the war between the US and Germany, you might want to read Hitler's speech to the Reichstag on December 11, 1941 in which he declares war against the USA.
Why do I get the feeling that you believe that the wrong side won World War II?
William H. Friedman broke the Japanese "Purple" diplomatic cipher and Agnes Meyer Driscoll broke "Code Book D" of the Kaigun Ango system in 1940
And the Japanese records of the time show that the Diplomatic communication FDR will have been informed about were just that war against the USA would be happening sometime Dec '41.
Meanwhile, those same records show that the only information about an attack that the US might have got would have been that something was planned to happen on that weekend, but details were spares and not specific enough to determine WHAT was going to happen, let alone where and exactly when.
And you know what? If all the information you claim they had was released, the fucking public would have DEMANDED that Japan be attacked... just like they did when the attack happened. It's almost like you don't understand human nature.
We managed to break many of their cyphers, that's true. However, in the 1940s there was no such thing as an "intelligence community." The Army didn't share much with the Navy, and the commander in chief may have even known less.
Pearl Harbor, if anything, allowed Germany to declare war on us. For much of 1941 the US Navy had been engaged in anti-U Boat operations in the western Atlantic. The Germans weren't going to do much about that because a declaration of war against the United States would have meant a single front war for the US. However, a war between the US and Japan meant that the United States would have to fight in the Atlantic and Pacific, while Germany could only focus on the Atlantic. Remember, most of the US carrier power was deployed in the larger Pacific Ocean, not the Atlantic. Likewise the US Marine Corps was virtually non-existant in Europe, however, they were quite active in the Pacific. I'm just saying that without that other front the Americans (and Canadians and Brits, and Indians and Australians and New Zealanders) had to fight on those resources would have been deployed in the west, and the war in Europe may have ended sooner.
Of course, here's the thing I've always wondered about these Pearl Harbor conspiracies. If FDR and the top military brass knew about the plans why did they not set a trap for the Japanese? Let Japan think it has the element of surprise when suddenly American AA weapons - prepped and ready, would unleash on the unsuspecting Zero pilots. Roosevelt would still have his war - and the US Navy could potentially score a major victory.
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So how would he have avoided it?
Hide Hawaii? Like hide the entire island chain of Hawaii?
If he moved the ship's they'd still attack the fuel depot and loading facility.
If he sent an intercept fleet then there would be an open water naval battle instead of a coastal one.
Even if FDR could have reacted in time the only result would be a slightly slower escalation to war.
And if the Japanese would have attacked the navy’s fuel depots (which, AFAIK was originally planned), the US forces would have been in serious trouble and quite literally crippled for quite a while. Sounds like a really shitty plan on FDR’s side.
Kind of like GWB’s plan to attack the WTC with planes filled with Saudis sent from Afghanistan to get a reason to attack Iraq
Confused?
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