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A thread in which our beloved Carico stumbles from one disastrous misconception to another:

"...what caused the order of the universe, the position of the sun that just happens to give the appropriate amount of heat and light to the earth for life to exist, the moon & stars that "just happen" to be in the right path of the sun to reflect light to the earth at night?"

Later:

"Do you understand that if the sun were one fraction of a centimeter closer to or farther from the earth, that life cloudn't surive on earth?"

And later, after being challenged on it:

"That's hogwash. All you have to do is ask any scientist what would happen if the sun were a fraction of a centimeter closer to or farther from the earth. Even people with common sense would know what would happen."

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old comment by the good witch

i'm going to attempt to refute this using logic:

first: the order of the universe and the position of the sun is blind luck. we are one tiny speck of life in a vast universe. the universe is so huge, with the planets and stars thrown together in so many combinations, that the odds are that at least one of these combinations result in conditions suitable for life. and then life arose on that planet, from a combination of macromolecules. it is hypothesized that the macromolecules swam together to form a membrane based scrap of protein. the chances are low, but not impossible. we exist on a slim tendril of probability and chance and odds, a statistical anomaly. we're just beginning to understand it. but nothing caused the circumstances to be perfect for life. in the vastness of the universe, it had to happen somewhere. and about the moon reflecting light: i don't get it. a reflective moon is in no way necessary for life. tides are good, but not essential.

and for your second and 3rd points:

the earth's relative position to the sun changes. it has an elliptical orbit, which means slightly oval shaped. at certain times it is a little closer to the sun then at other times, and it is proven that this does not cause the change in seasons. (seasons have to do with the tilt of the earth's axis).

so the earth's relative position to the sun changes over the course of a year. by several feet. obviously a centimeter or two would not cause such a drastic change, and any scientist with authority in the matter would tell you so. i learned this in 6th grade.

Q.E.D.

oh, and i'm not a scientist, but i draw on concepts i learned about in middle school to refute your arguments. if your position can be refuted by a middle schooler (junior high to some people) who paid attention in science classes, you're standing on shaky ground. so basically, your argument is dead and rotting, and it's time to get with it.

a side note:

i am aware that my first argument, about the circumstances that make Earth hospitable to life, are based on the premise that the universe is vast an ancient. denial of the validity of this is a debatable point, and i can debate it at length, but you did not indicate that you divulge from the basic scientific viewpoint on this, so i stood from there.

old comment by a mind far far away

I love the whole 'if the sun were just a LITTLE BIT closer or a LITTLE BIT further away, then life on earth could not exist' logic. I used to hear it alot when I was a fundy. But why does the sun need to be in the position it's in for the stars to 'reflect' light from the sun? The stars do not need to reflect the suns light like the moon does (which I'm surprised Carico knows the moon reflects the sun's light, as the bible says the moon has it's own light). You see, Carico, the stars, like the sun, have their own light. If you turn on two lights in the same room, they are not the same light, but different ones. Do you understand this? I doubt it. So this fails on an 'astronomical' level.

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