[To the question of being able to see stars millions of lightyears away if the universe is only a few thousand years old. Someone else says that for God to just make it that way would be deceptive]
The theory does not insinuate that God is deceptive. In Genesis, he talks to Abraham about his descendants and how they will be as numerous as the stars in the sky. What if God made the stars like that, not to deceive humans in any way, but to use them for His own purpose, such as using them as a metaphor? (By the way, how is making rays of light any form of deception? How are we being "tricked" by this creation?)
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In that case, Adam and Eve could be a METAPHORE as well, isn´t it?. And by the way, why a metaphore if it´s so evident?
The distance of the stars from the Earth is not in any way, shape or form related to the number of stars in the sky. If God just wanted a bunch of little lights in the sky for Abraham to see, he would have done something like what people used to believe: made a big dome with little white glowing dots.
How is making rays of light that show stars millions of lightyears away deceptive? Because it takes the light a year to cross each of those lightyears, meaning that the light needs millions of years to reach us, which means that the stars as we see them right now are VASTLY different from the stars as they actually are at present. Indeed, God would be creating light rays for stars that never existed, since they apparently died before the universe was ever made, showing us events (like supernovas) that never happened. How is this NOT deceptive?
Really?
Check out the "Hubble Deep Field" scan. You tubes got it.
They took a patch of space that all Earthbound telesscopes could find nothing in. What did Hubble see? Thousands of Galaxies so far away it took hubble at full power and many days to image them.
To think this was all created to make a point to humans is so arrogant, besides, the stars of our own galaxy outnumber all humans alive today plus all ever born
Anyone who believes that the universe was created "in situ" only 6000 years ago is a fucking moron. Case closed.
I could just as easily assert that it was created last Tuesday and we simply remember having lived longer. I would have exactly the same evidence for my claims as you do, i.e. none.
If the universe is only 6000 years old, then your god is a trickster god and set everything up to hide his existence. To deny the obvious only makes you look like an idiot.
"(By the way, how is making rays of light any form of deception? How are we being "tricked" by this creation?)"
By the way, since you're spouting off about the number of stars, why don't you go look up the concept of "speed of light" before you make such a retarded comment.
In my younger years (growing up in europe) I would never have believed that there are still large amounts of people in modern industrialized countries, who,in orderto keep their belief in the literal truth of the bible intact, would try to twist logic to the extremes and would throw lots of the things we learned from modern science out of the window.
Well, that was before I got access to internet and learned about american christian fundamentalists
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An estimated 50 billion galaxies are visible with modern telescopes and the total number in the universe must exceed that by a huge factor. If we merely double the number we come up with 100,000,000,000 galaxies. Each contains hundreds of billions of stars. But be conservative. Say the number of stars in each galaxy is only 100 billion. So the number of stars in the universe (conservatively) is 100 billion X 100 billion. The farthest we've detected thus far are approximately 13 billion light years away.
http:www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Extraterrestrial life.htm
That was exhausting. It must have taken four mouse clicks.
It's 1 hour past Christmas on the East Coast, so I feel less guilty saying simply:
God DAMN, you are fucking stupid.
Now THAT is some serious planning. All that work making countless stars in the universe, making it so that no more than about 4000 of those stars are visible to the naked eye on Earth and for what? A metaphor that God only used once.
I guess the stars are just kinda "there" now, like God's too lazy to take them down or their lovely twinkling just sorta grew on him.
kazillions of stars.
7 billion humans.
see the problem here?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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