i see where you are trying to go with this, but you failed miserably. it's now clear of what type of person i am having a discussion with
it's a fact that the laws and morals set forth by judao-christian societies are the recipe for success. if you are in disagreement, please point to a just and moral successful society in history that was not judao-christian based.
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Japan is doing ok, and they're Buddhists. South-Korea has recovered nicely from the Korean war, and is now on par with any first world nation, and Christianity is a budding minority there.after they adopted Christianity.
I'm sure there are others, but I can't be arsed to find them.
if you are in disagreement, please point to a just and moral successful society in history that was not judao-christian based.
I don't have to bother because by including the word "moral", you've left room for yourself to deny any other society from being moral.
Islam. Because according to its own islamic standards, islam produces the best results. For example, there are no women running around with naked hair, and beer and bacon is never available.
if you are in disagreement, please point to a just and moral successful society in history that was not judao-christian based.
Rome. Egypt. Greece. Japan. China. Hell of a lot of African kingdoms. Native American societies.
Q.
Name one passage in the Constitution that references God or Jesus. And "in the year of our Lord" doesn't count.
A country which guarantees freedom of religion, and the freedom to not follow a religion, can hardly be said to be founded upon Judeo-Christian values when the #1 commandment is to worship God and God alone.
Well, there's always Imperial China and its predecessor states. Scotland and Ireland were doing pretty well before being introduced to Christianity. The Iroquois did rather well. Then there were the Athenians, the Maya...
Should I go on? Of course, I can't quite chase the ever-moving goalpost of 'moral' forever, but I'm willing to give it a go.
If you want a modern one, Japan, China, South Korea, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, etc.
You might discount the latter 4 because of some Christian origins, but they are very much atheistic by now.
Historically speaking, every successful civilization in the world before Rome adopted Christianity. And pretty much every successful civilization outside of Europe even afterwards.
Japan, China, Greece, Egypt, the Zulu, the Polynesians, Rome, the Vikings, the Iroquois, the Celts, the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Incas, the Dakota, the Navajo, the Apache, the Comanche...I'm only stopping because my fingers got tired.
@solomongrundy
Will grant the human sacrifice (though tales are often exaggerated when it comes to the numbers), but having public education (as did the Mexica [Aztecs], though they were a lot harder on the ritual human sacrifice, and unlike most of their neighbors [and the Maya], 'voluntary' was not a requirement) a solid system of law (as best we understand it), clear moral boundaries... sounds moral to me.
Admittedly, 'moral' is still a subjective term. As weird as it is to say, if everyone's willing and knows what's going on... hell, I'm willing to ignore the ritual for communicating with one's ancestors that involves the words "barbs", "pulled through", and "ones own penis".
I was going to offer an alternative opinion, but if yours is, as you say, a fact, I guess I'd be wasting my time.
Several current day European countries, Canada, Japan
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