Jesus.Lives #fundie

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1. How can Evolution possibly explain things like dreams, reason, mathematical accuracy, de ja vu and other mind related phenomena? Not to mention the supernatural such as NDEs, ghost sightings and etc.
2. Jesus is the best way to explain human reasoning and morality at it's core. The fall in Genesis and Jesus as the hope for the future triumphs over all other ideas and beliefs about morality, and not only does it logically make sense, it historically comes together as God's word... with great documentary evidence to support it as being legit (and even greater spiritual evidence regarding it's inspiration).
3. Because the Eastern religions deny love, but yet God is love. So love is either a distraction and a hurt in life, or love is EVERYTHING... the meaning of life. The REASON. Jesus is pure love. Jesus is the only story in history that demonstrates the HIGHEST level of love (God dying for His people... His creation... the whole earth).
You either have to admit that love is the reason for life and believe in God, or believe in Buddhism and deny love and try to do everything in your power not to practice love.

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old comment by Osiris

1. It doesn't. Simply because evolution has nothing to do with those fields of study. Evolution can explain our highly developed brains the same way everything else works, the environmental pressures favored increased higher brain activity and after millions of years following that trend we have us.

2. What? That....that...that has nothing to do with anything. People have human reasoning because of Jesus. That's a fucking cop out answer. The truth is too hard to figure out so you just say "God" or "Jesus".

3. And then God rose from the grave and went into Heaven so he didn't actual die. And now he sends people to Hell simply for not believing in him enough and doing what he says. Also I believe the Aztecs had a belief that the sun god died so humans could live and that they had to sacrifice hears everyday so the sun could continue to live.

old comment by cyborgtroy

Dreams: Memory errors.

Reason: Idiots get naturally unselected.

Mathematical accuracy: ?? Not a matter of evolution. wtf r u talking about.

Deja vu: Imperfections in the brain which is not designed, but still evolving.

Mind-related phenemenon: The mind is highly imperfect. If we were designed, we would be more like computers.

Supernatural: Hallucinations. Humans have evolved to find patterns where there are none to be had.

No, evolution also explains the moral law.

God is not love. Love is just a biochemical reaction in our nervous system that evolved to ensure we passed on our genes.

"You either have to admit that love is the reason for life and believe in God, or believe in Buddhism and deny love and try to do everything in your power not to practice love. "

I admit that love evolved.

old comment by FMG

1. Dreams are just your mind going over things while you sleep. Its like a screen saver. Reason... Seriously? Reasoning is part of our mind. It is what made us what we are. It is our "claws". That we can solve puzzles and make tools. Mathematical accuracy is science. Mathematics are accurate for a reason. Deja Vu is just a feeling of doing something before. Mainly cause you probably did something similar before. No on has had deja vu about brain surgery or flying a plane. No one has suddenly busted out physics theorems due to Deja Vu. The supernatural NDEs (don't even know what they are) and ghost sightings are usually by people who expect to see ghosts. In a small experiment, people told about ghosts in my accomodation hear and see ghosts. If they are not told about it they do not give a damn.

2. WRONG! Human morality came from living as a group. If you do not follow core fundemental rules as a group you cannot exist as a group. The human being is a social animal, the larger the group the more powerful the individual becomes. The larger the group the more rules that are needed.

3. Eastern religions do not "deny" love. Infact its celebrated more. As for God "dying for his people". God is freaking all powerful, he could have done more without going through that emo ass song and dance to get people to like him.

Actually buddhists do feel love. What they do not seek are physical attachments. You are confusing love for physical attachments to things since love is a bond between two "souls" for them, differentiating between love of money or love of sports. Infact they have different words for "love" between humans and a love for a sport. Its just that English as a language does not encompass the nuance.

Or you can celebrate hinduism which does celebrate all manner of freaky love in its older form.

old comment by antichrist

1. You equate mathematical accuracy and reason with dreams, de ja vu, and the supernatural? Mathematical accuracy does not prove a God, it proves that things in our universe are measurable. As for the rest, we have these great big brains stuck on top of our necks, they do things to rationalize the world into their own way of seeing things (just like you're doing right now).

2. Tell that to the Buddhists, who have a much stronger moral fiber than any Christian I've ever met, yet they don't believe in Jesus, or the Fall, or any of that other bullshit

3. Eastern religions do not deny love, they deny god, they deny Christian love because they can see it for the bigoted hate that it really is. I have no idea where you would even get the idea that Eastern religions deny love. Check your facts.

old comment by John

The fall in Genesis and Jesus as the hope for the future triumphs over all other ideas and beliefs about morality, and not only does it logically make sense, it historically comes together as God's word... with great documentary evidence to support it as being legit

The fact that one likes a story doesn't make it true.

Logically makes sense? Talking snakes make logical sense? Does it make logical sense that torturing God's son redeems us with God for a curse placed on us by God Himself because our 100-times great grandparents ate a piece of fruit? If someone stole Jesus.Lives' apple, would Jesus.Lives forgive the thief for stealing the apple in return for killing Jesus.Lives' only son?

The only historical information we have about Jesus outside of the Bible is in the writings of Josephus, and he appears just to be describing Christian beliefs, not verifying them as true. Hardly "great documentary evidence".

old comment by GigaGuess

1. How can Evolution possibly explain things like dreams, reason, mathematical accuracy, de ja vu and other mind related phenomena? Not to mention the supernatural such as NDEs, ghost sightings and etc.
Dunno. Evolution doesn't necessarily exclude the supernatural. It explains the process of how we got here today...not why, and (necessarily) what spurred it along.

2. Jesus is the best way to explain human reasoning and morality at it's core. The fall in Genesis and Jesus as the hope for the future triumphs over all other ideas and beliefs about morality, and not only does it logically make sense, it historically comes together as God's word... with great documentary evidence to support it as being legit (and even greater spiritual evidence regarding it's inspiration).
First, let's see this evidence, please. I'm eager to see it as I've been hearing ALL about it. Second, explain the moral atheists, Jews, and, well, anyone adhering to all those "heathen" religions.

Okay, I may have to pick this last point apart...
3. Because the Eastern religions deny love...
For example...?

...but yet God is love.
Tell that to the pre-flood people. And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Oh, wait, they were "bad" right?

So love is either a distraction and a hurt in life, or love is EVERYTHING... the meaning of life.
And yet you guys seem to have a funny definition of Love, as you seem to shift who deserves it quite regularly.

The REASON. Jesus is pure love. Jesus is the only story in history that demonstrates the HIGHEST level of love (God dying for His people... His creation... the whole earth).
First, God creating a little blood sacrifice for himself doesn't strike me as very loving, but then, I'm just a heathen, so what do I know? Second, how is Jesus "pure" love, if he only saves those who kiss his and his abusive daddy's ass in just the right way?

You either have to admit that love is the reason for life and believe in God, or believe in Buddhism and deny love and try to do everything in your power not to practice love.
Buddhists don't believe in love? That's news to me. Buddhism teaches pacifism to an almost extreme extent, as I understand, to lessen, or abolish suffering. That sounds pretty loving to me...a love for life itself.

old comment by Septic Sceptic

You want to talk about religions having validity through evidence?

How about the empirical evidence to show that meditation can have measurable medical benefits? And I bet you'll never guess which religions practice meditation...

Compare that to the studies on praying for sick people which have proven that prayer does not work as a healing function.

And as a closing point- fuck you. As an atheist I view all religions and spiritualities with equal distain, but in terms of theory compared to practice, buddhism has a much, much cleaner track record than any other religion.

If god is love then Freddie Mercury had it right when he said "Too Much Love Will Kill You"

old comment by Brain_In_A_Jar

Jesus is the only story in history that demonstrates the HIGHEST level of love (God dying for His people... His creation... the whole earth).

Once again, you demonstrate how your religion and your god cling to the barbaric notion that "sin" can only be counteracted by meting out vicious punishment and torture, or what is generally known as retributionary justice.

Why should crime be punished? It doesn't work as a deterrent, and it sure as fuck doesn't undo the damage. It is pure vindictiveness, satisfying nothing but the desire for revenge. One crime does not excuse another, even if it be done under the name of "justice". Crimes are to be prevented when possible; once they've taken place there's nothing that can or should be done, save the repair of what damage it is possible to undo.

You know what? I don't want to live a life "blessed" by the torture and suffering of others, not even your precious saviour, not even if he wanted me to. If history is as you say it is (and there is no persuasive evidence to suggest that your version is anything other than a myth), then your messiah's motives may be admirable, but even by willingly submitting to torture and death he implicitly asserts the validity of such methods, and that I reject utterly. To suggest that I should be happy and grateful that torture and murder was carried out in my name, for any reason, is perhaps the worst insult you could fling at me. I will not join your continual, deluded celebration and preservation of some of the most primitive, abhorrent practices and mindsets from mankind's vicious past, however good your intentions may be.

old comment by Ri Jayden

3. Because the Eastern religions deny love, but yet God is love. So love is either a distraction and a hurt in life, or love is EVERYTHING... the meaning of life. The REASON. Jesus is pure love. Jesus is the only story in history that demonstrates the HIGHEST level of love (God dying for His people... His creation... the whole earth).
Hate to break it to you, but in the Kemetic Religion, the story of Isis and Osiris demonstrates love in the utmost. And this is BEFORE Christianity came on the scene. But then, I guess that's Middle Eastern, and not Eastern.... But then again, it can be applied because YOU compared Eastern religion with Christianity, which is WESTERN religion. And btw, there are plenty of western Pagan religions that had Deities sacrificing themselves to save mankind. This act is NOT exclusive to Christianity