Zoran #fundie

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Atheists: Why do you believe in science?
1. Lets imagine that through the Earth there is some unknown energetic area. Some scientific experiment is made 1000 times, and it always shows same results. But, then, that energetic area which is through the Earth disappears, and the same scientific experiment now shows completely different results.
2. Lets imagine that we see the atoms of some stone through some very powerful microscope. We see the atoms in one part of that stone. Maybe other parts of that stone is not composed of atoms ? And, even if we see the atoms through the whole stone, maybe that stone, after 5 minutes will not be composed of atoms ?
And, the Bible is full with miracles, with hundreds of witnesses.
Why the atheists believe in science, but not in God ?

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old comment by WWWWolf

> Lets imagine that through the Earth there is some unknown energetic area.

Let's imagine the sky is pink, shall we? Then all of sudden, they sky isn't pink. Therefore science???

Look, the point of thought experiments isn't to wildly speculate on things. If you put garbage in, you get garbage out.

> And, even if we see the atoms through the whole stone, maybe that stone, after 5 minutes will not be composed of atoms ?

Yeah, why not, let's go totally crazy since we're just speculating and not basing it on any proof whatsoever!

> And, the Bible is full with miracles, with hundreds of witnesses.

Much like Norse paganism! All the proof I need, but then again, I'm rip-snortin' drunk.

> Why the atheists believe in science, but not in God ?

Well I'm agnostic Wiccan myself. Science, as far as I know, is actually based on reality. God is based on feels. If you can prove that god is based on reality, that's fantastic. Until then, I just have to make strict separation of feels and reality. Dig?

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"Maybe other parts of that stone is not composed of atoms ?"

And maybe someone hasn't grasped the concept of Science; certainly Physics, Chemistry, Geology etc...

Via electron microscopes, we have seen the manipulation of individual atoms, so there's the start of Nanotechnology.

Using the redistribution of matter itself to create new & useful things, nay, elements; 'Alchemy' indeed (and Diamonds - indistinguishable by DeBeers of South Africa, thus their need to laser-etch their natural ones, they're so scared of such - can be made artificially). What more of a 'Miracle' can you think of, fundies?

...oh, and not forgetting the Higgs-Boson, discovered at CERN, home of the LHC; the 'God Particle'. Not many 'gaps' left, eh?! >:D

'Belief'? We don't need no steenkeeng 'bellief'! [/"Treasure of the Sierra Madre"] X3

old comment by farpadokly

I think that what this person is attempting to point out in his clumsy way is that science does rest on assumptions, which indeed it does. The scientist does have to assume that the laws of the universe are constant and that his senses are not deceiving him.
These are problems in the philosophy of science but for practical purposes don't really matter. For pragmatic purposes, scientific theories and their applications in technology work well, so we can dispense with worrying too much about our underlying assumptions, unless we're philosophers.

Needless to say, to try and put data culled from empirical observation on an equal par with the incredible happenings reported by several generations of hearsay in the Bible, is ridiculous.

old comment by speccy4i

@Xotan

"Does anyone believe in science?"

I do. I have faith in the scientific method. You have to take the scientific method on faith. We have to have faith that the building blocks of science are true because usually they turn out to be wrong.
Look at Euclidean Proofs, taken as true for centuries then relativity blew it out of the water.
We can never be sure that what we hold to be true scientifically today will be scientifically true tomorrow. Given the fate of every widely held scientific theory since the invention of the scientific method, it's arrogant to assume that what we know now is absolute in it's truthiness.

That said, it's a self-correcting system that gets far better results than religious faith when 'Goddidit" is enough.

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If the energetic field changes, or we find out atom-less things, science will start researching them. It's called "revolution".

Since science tries to make some sense of the world, if the conditions of the world change or we find something we hadn't found before, science moves on to investigate them accordingly, since, from the moment on we find out new things, then those things join what we consider the natural world.

If science finds something it hadn't accounted for, it starts researching and finding ways to fit that thing in our existing theories- or making new ones altogether that do account for everything and not only the previous facts we had.

In turn, when religion is hit by new things, it claims that a) they don't exist, b) they actually are other things we knew about or c) it's all Satan's work so we should stay away from them anyway. So I understand you are unable to understand that science isn't fixed in stone.

Also, I'm pretty sure that there are more witnesses for evolution just called Steve that any given fairyta- I mean, miracle in the Bible had.

old comment by Sangfroid

Because in 1984, I was shot in the upper left abdomen. It hurt like a son of bitch and I seriously thought I was on my way out.

No one prayed over me. No one pointed out I was blessed because I was on my way to the Almighty. No, a surgeon operated. Besides removing one 32 caliber bullet (the small size was one of the reasons I’m still here) and one ruined gall bladder, the surgeon gave me one beaut of a scar.

I spent the first week on a morphine drip mixed with antibiotics (they were concerned I had peritonitis) dreaming my life away. For the next week, I was in physical therapy, trying to rebuild the muscle on my left side.

When I finally left the hospital four weeks later, the only person I had to thank was my surgeon and her team. Nothing to do with Jesus or god or Allah or whoever.

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