Some facts about different religions
Judaism: The word 'Bible' is not in the Bible. Moses never preached any religion by the name of 'Judaism'. The word 'Judaism' doesn't even exist in the Bible. If this is the case then where did the names like 'Judaism' and ‘Bible’ come from? And what religion did Moses preach? If it was not Islam (surrender to God’s Will) then what is?
Christianity: Jesus didn't have any idea about the book call 'New Testament'! He never preached any religion by the name of 'Christianity'. The word 'Christianity' doesn't exist anywhere in the Bible (OT & NT). Even Jesus never heard the word 'Jesus' during his lifetime! He never preached irrational doctrines like Trinity and original sin. The word 'Trinity' doesn't exist in the New Testament. Jesus himself never claimed to be God. It is also an absurdity. He never told his followers to worship him. In fact, he used to pray to God (Matthew 26:39, 14:23). Where did the words like 'Christianity' and 'Trinity' come from then? And what religion did Jesus preach? If it was not Islam (surrender to God’s Will) then what is? Well, there is solid evidence in the New Testament that Jesus used to preach Islam. The Arabic word ‘Islam’ means “surrender to God’s Will”. One who surrenders his/her will to the Will of God is called Muslim. Jesus also surrendered his will to the Will of God (Father), and as such he was a Muslim (in Faith) and probably a Jew (in race):
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Well whatever Jesus did he was still a skypixie-loving fruitcake, but at least this guy tries to make a rational point without resorting to burning-in-the-fires-of-hell histrionics. Although he does get a bit circular and confused.
I'm not even sure whose side he's on?
"Even Jesus never heard the word 'Jesus' during his lifetime!"
What, did nobody talk to him or something? Poor guy.
Even Jesus never heard the word 'Jesus' during his lifetime!
That would have made his formative years very difficult.
Otherwise, standard fundie madlibbery, with an islamic as opposed to christian bent.
I think what Raihan is trying to say, is that everyone who was sucking god's ass in any of that heathen judaic scripture, is automatically a muslim, and that includes Abraham-with-a-knife-at-his-son's-throat.
Great points, you missed all the equally relevant and nearly identical points about Islam.
@ Shann : Such bad parenting might explain why he grew up to be a drunkard and a vagabond.
It's easy enough to infer he meant to make the true claim that Jesus never heard the word "Christ" in His lifetime. I haven't been able to verify AlexB's claim that the word 'Judaism' is in the old testament, but Bible Gateway does show it as being in use in the new testament; contrary to Raihan's claim: http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=Judaism&searchtype=all&version1=31&spanbegin=1&spanend=73
The claim that Jesus taught Islam is pretty surprising- he never mentioned a trip to Mecca, a direction to pray, a required number of times to pray, the name Mohammed, and Jesus is not listed as having used the word 'submission' in the New International Version.
So let me get this straight:
Jesus never mentioned Judaism or Christianity, therefore he wasn't a Jew or a Christian.
Therefore, Jesus was a Muslim.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot times 10.
Jesus could have been a Hindu, you know.
If not A or B, why automatically C when there's D, E, F, G, etc?
Idiot. Islam wasn't revealed to Muhammad until six and a half centuries after Jesus time - assuming Jesus ever existed. How could Jesus, then, have been a Muslim?
As to Christians/anity not being mentioned in the New Testament:
The first known usage of the term ???st?a??? (khristianos) can be found in the New Testament, in Acts 11:26: "the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." (Wikipedia)
If there were Christian, then there was Christianity.
Don't all Abrahamic religions submit themselves to the Will of God too?
Also, Islam technically translates as "peace"
Yeah, Jesus was Jewish by race, but he extended Judaism to Christianity, so arguably followed Christianity [albeit without the messiah, since he wasn't saving himself]
The word bible is not a Hebrew word, so why would it be written in English in an original Hebrew manuscript? The same can be said of the word Judaism.
The Arabic word Islam is in the Arabic holy book, the Koran.
If you are incapable of realizing this, then you are incapable of making any kind of point.
Technically, Jesus is a form of the name that came to English by way of Greek from the original Aramaic name. A more direct translation would be "Joshua." :D
I'll even give him the point that Jesus never said he was God. There was a small scribe error in the Greek which lead to, basically, the only evidence of the "trinity" thing in the NT.
I agree, even, that Jesus didn't preach about original sin, or other abstractions.
I'll even argue, depending on interpretation, that Christianity as a religion was founded more by Paul than by Jesus himself.
But honestly, Moses and Jesus were big old Jews. Not Muslims, but big old Jews. This goes for the Mormons, too. Jesus and Moses and all of that crowd were Jews, honey. I should've thought the Hebrew would be a hint. :)
Technically, Jesus is a form of the name that came to English by way of Greek from the original Aramaic name. A more direct translation would be "Joshua." :D
I'll even give him the point that Jesus never said he was God. There was a small scribe error in the Greek which lead to, basically, the only evidence of the "trinity" thing in the NT.
I agree, even, that Jesus didn't preach about original sin, or other abstractions.
I'll even argue, depending on interpretation, that Christianity as a religion was founded more by Paul than by Jesus himself.
But honestly, Moses and Jesus were big old Jews. Not Muslims, but big old Jews. This goes for the Mormons, too. Jesus and Moses and all of that crowd were Jews, honey. I should've thought the Hebrew would be a hint. :)
I think what he's saying is that Jesus wasn't technically called "Jesus" in Aramaic (the language he and his family spoke), but "Yeshua." Jesus' name was actually the same as "Joshua." It's kind of like "Michael" and "Miguel" - same name, different language.
A sort of fundie; yes, but not the pick-and-twist-the-Holy-Words-kind. This guy is a hardcore muslim, realizing what Muhammed and the old kaliphs really thought about Christians and Jews. I think he deserves the "Cutest Fundie"-award, as a REAL bagde of honour.
And of course Jesus never spoke of Christianity, He called it Meianity :P
Hmmm...Jesus never used the words "Islam", "Muslim", "Mohammed". "Allah", or...oh, just to be different, "turkey sandwich". He also didn't speak French or use the internet or drive a car, and yet here we are with all those things.
Just because a word exists now, doesn't mean it always did, moron.
I love how stupidity breaches religious barriers!
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