And this goes along with the end of the USA thread.
LOTR actually promotes GOOD vs. EVIL. Not a specific religion.
Harry Pothead promotes EVIL vs EVIL... and the religion of witchcraft -- even using some real people as characters.
But because idiot parents let their idiot kids read them because "at least it gets them to read" crap, we have to suffer through the hypocracy. Toss the kid a Playboy and I'll be he'll read too.
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I must have missed the parts where Harry and company toke it up. And what real people are characters in the Harry Potter books? Have you even read a sentence out of any of the books?
And, just because it irritates me, it's spelled "hypocrisy." It's not a form of government.
Witchcraft is not a religion, WiCCA is.
And maybe it is a "hypocracy" (whatever that is ,maybe the "Rule of the (intellectually) insufficient"?), because it sure as hell is no hypocrisy.
And what real people are characters in the Harry Potter books?
Nicholas Flamel was a real alchemist. That's the only one I can think of.
And of course, the fact that HP kids celebrate Christmas and Easter must have sailed over their heads, too.
What's wrong with children reading? Better by far giving them a good book (which the first 3 of the potter series are. The rest got steadily rubbish IMHO) than sitting them infront of the idiot box (TV). Broadens the imagination, reading does, and will no doubt allow the child to eventually see through your religions numerous fallacies and plotholes... Or maybe THAT is what you fear here. Another mind that can think outside of your religious box.
Since it's from hannity, I'm not surprised that it's complete crap.
This tosser spouts the usual BS: "religion of witchcraft," "promotes evil," etc.
If HP teaches children witchcraft, then does the Hitchhiker's Guide teach them to be spaceship captains? The Harry Potter books are all fiction . When will you mental mushrooms learn that? ARGH!
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go vent my rage through video games. Grr.
LotR had some Christian themes, but the Valar were really a sort of Norse or Grecian pantheon. Harry Potter is practically bare of religious sentiment. For some reason, though, Fundies persist in describing Harry Potter as more religiously loaded.
Also, last time I checked Dobby the House-Elf wasn't a real person.
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Playboy=Good Vs. Naughty
Fixed.
Have you ever read the books?, which real character are you referring to, Syrius Black, Albus Dumbledore or Minerva MacGonnagal?
I always wondered where this discrepancy about LOTR vs. Harry Potter in fundie thinking came from.
Here's the most likely reason: LOTR withstood the test of time, and attacking it for being anti-Christian at this point is simply stupid and counterproductive.
Harry Potter is still an unfinished story, and being the current big hit, is a lucrative target. Fifty years ago, fundies would be attacking LOTR, or possibly even Chronicles of Narnia (wouldn't that be the supreme irony).
In fifty years, I'd wager HP will be touted as good Christian literature and some new fantasy series the spawn of Satan... trust me. A whole bunch of future fundies are reading HP now.
In the same way, fundies changed the medium they blamed for "immorality". It was TV ten years ago, now it's video games...
Playboy may have good articles, but it's not why I buy it.
"Excuse me, but... isn't there a wizard or two in LOTR?"
Technically, you could put them into the Angel-class, so it's not "witchcraft" but "miracles" (aka "magic sanctioned by the church"). Sauron would be Lucifer.
They just think HP is evil because he rebels against his shitty family, school bullies, and an evil wizard who wants to take over the world, all of whom exhibit many Republican behaviors.
BTW, you said "crap!" Sinner!!!
LOTR has magic and wizards and all that in it too, in fact, some scenes out of the Harry Potter books appear to have been taken right from LOTR. I know fantasy is a hard genre to write, since it's been done for so long, keeping it original is always a challenge, but in my opinion, HP doesn't make the grade. (In fact, I think the book series that started with "So You Want to be a Wizard" was out before and is the same concept minues the school of witchcraft)
Firstly, just because you put your life in the hands of a book and worship its contents, doesn't mean other people are taken in by everything they read.
Harry Potter, though not a series I've gotten into, DOES get kids to read. Any kid old enough to read these books should be rooted in reality firmly enough to know that Star Wars and LOTR are NOT real.
Harry "Pothead"? Oh I see, the fundie mindset of taking everything perceived "Bad" and smushing it into one big lump of 'evil', like "Satanic-Liberal-Faggot-Jew-Demoncrat"? Right, wizards=bad, pot=bad, therefore wizards=pot. Whatever dude.
Oooh! Playboy! Oh noes, the bane of western civilization! Here come the meteors, it's Sodom and Gomorrah 2:Peripatetic Boogaloo! (thank you rhyming dictionary)
And lastly, couldn't you find a manlier name? "Hawkeye Lonewolf"? What's the matter, was Hunk Beefchuck taken? Or Slab McMuscles? Rock Abflex? Crusher Bigstone? Dirk Meatchunk? Dolph Fistsmash? Bam Bloodpunch?
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Wizards - Istari, Maia that have taken human form... Maia, of course, being lesser Ainur, the Eä equivalent of Angels (the other ones where Valar, and the Big Guy is called Eru)
Sauron - A fallen Maia
The Ring, the Ringwraiths, etc. - a demonic artefact, witchcraft, yadda yadda
The "magic" of Elves and Dunedain (though they don't call it "magic") including Elven Weapons - Could be classified as miracles. Especially in the cases of Elrond&Aragorn, thanks to their (however diluted) Maia ancestry.
While it does not always completely fit, LotR was written with Christians in mind.
And yeah, HP copied quite a bit and is crap, but as long as it gets small kids to read, oh well.
(Though it is still possible to write original fantasy fiction - you just need to abandon the usual, downtrodden paths)
To you guys that think HP is crap:
That's your opinion, and I respect it. Keep in mind, however, that the HP stories were not originally meant to be published. They were bedtime stories told to Rowling's kids, and she wrote them down at their request.
Before HP, she had never written a book.
Her writing style improves over the series, and even if a lot of it is "overdone," it's what kids like.
Meh, maybe I'm over-analyzing again. Ignore my ramblings.
You're not cool enough to use 'wolf' in your name. Change it to something like "LonelyChickenhawk".
Also, show me one instance of Harry Potter causing marijuana use, or casting actual spells. Or using spells to procure marijuana.
Oh yes, because pointing a stick and saying something in latin is "evil".
Seriously, the majority of these people never read the books or seen the movies.
Also, the lord of the rings also includes false witchcraft.
This one time, I was wearing a "WWJD" bracelet, and I picked up a copy of Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone, and it burst into flame.
If you'd ever read Harry Potter, you'll know it's a straight-out, balls-to-the-wall, honest-to-goodness Good vs Evil tale - Harry, Hermione, Ron et al against Voldemort. And if they use wizardry, so what? You might as well condemn Superman, Spiderman etc as being evil, as their powers aren't exactly that of Homo Sapiens. Do Marvel & DC comics promote evil?
You certainly can't read, HawkeyeLonewolf. If you could, you'd see for yourself what complete BS you're spewing. Proof? You can't even spell 'Hypocrisy' right. Of course not. Because if you could, and thus be able to read properly, you'd realise the inherent contradiction of what you're saying.
Frankly, there's more evil in the Bible than HP. With infinitely more use of inhuman powers than Harry & co. And by what I've read in the Old Testament, God is FAR worse than Voldemort.
Since Playboy has featured a serial version of Farenheit 451, short stories by the likes of Kurt Vonnegut and interviews with Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X, I'd say there are actual reasons to read it other than porn.
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