The argument makes sense--EXCEPT FOR ONE THING!!! In the Acts of the Apostles, the Lord declared that shellfish and reptiles and all the other animals have been made clean, and therefore are no longer unclean. However, in no part of the Bible does it say that homosexuals are tolerable. Eating shrimp is not bad. Homosexuality is bad.
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He's right, I think. Apostles does clear eating of previously unclean foods, but does not clear homosexuality, women speaking in public, or slaves leaving their masters. (I'm not sure if a slave who ran away from his master for a trivial thing like daily beatings that did not in fact lead directly to organ failure, can be admitted to heaven).
I disagree. I don't like shrimps, therefore eating shrimps is bad, and the bible is wrong.
That makes just as much sense as what polishguy said.
Polishguy, do you set Polishlady apart during her menstrual period and refrain from having sex with her? According to Acts, you still have to obey the OT sexual laws. Do you like your steak bloody? According to Acts, you must refrain from eating blood. Does Polishlady wear gold and pearls? According to a NT law (yes, NT), women must not do so.
The question is over whether Leviticus is word of God (which would allow people to use it as a justification for gay-bashing, but doesn't stand up to closer scrutiny) or simply the word of man (which would remove all the contradictions involved in the "God's word has changed" business, and fits scholarly analysis).
No surprises our friend the Radio Moron listener falls into the former category.
If Leviticus is so all-fired important to them, they'd be better off with Orthodox Judaism than with Christianity. Good luck getting them to recognise this with how antisemitic fundies (*especially* of the Radio Moron flavour) tend to be, however.
And Jesus also said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
So why do so many evangelical Christians support killing teh gheys? Or does Jesus only override the OT when you want him to? Must be conveneient, having a God who will do whatever you want him to.
Polishguy is referring to Acts 10:15, where it says "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean". This is usually interpreted to mean that the dietary restrictions are lifted, as they have have served their purpose and are no longer needed.
Although it should be noted that 5 chapters later, in Acts 15:20, a few dietary restrictions creep back in regardless.
Also interesting is another verse often cited to justify abandoning the dietary resctrions, 1 Tim. 4:
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving demons and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods..."
Yeah.
So God decided the rule about not eating shellfish was a stupid mistake and changed His mind? I thought He was perfect and the Bible had no inconsistencies.
in no part of the Bible does it say that homosexuals are tolerable
Nor does it any it's any worse than dozens other things that everyone, including Polishguy, does. Fundies act like it's some kind of Eleventh Commandment.
@ PnR: Good grief, that's a bit of a stretch, even for Christians! Mind you, if you can explain away that whole eye of a needle thing, you can twist anything to say whatever you like. And, by cracky, they do.
I'm allergic to shrimp, so eating shrimp is a very, very bad thing for me. I am not, however, allergic to homosexuals.
@ Psittacosis
Didn't you know that whole camel through the eye of a needle thing was god ordering us to breed really small camels and make really big needles?
At least that makes more sense than the make believe gate in Jerusalem.
so in one place "the Lord" said that he didn't come to overturn the law, in another place he does just that.
WTF?
How can these morons rationalise this away?!
"The argument makes sense -- EXCEPT FOR ONE THING!!!!! In reality, the bible is a fairy tale written by ancient con men to control a population of superstitious illiterates.
You're talking about America here, right?
In both Leviticus, and Deuteronomy, It specificaly states that being born to parents from two different races is an ABOMINATION, And that ANYONE who is RACIALY IMPURE must be PUT TO DEATH.
There is no new testament verse to imply that those laws are no longer in force.
So yes I want to have some firepower close at hand when some batshit fundie decides to start enforcing those laws on my metis self.
"Eating shrimp with homosexuals while on your period and WEARING MIXED FIBERS!"
How about a menstruating, shrimp-eating lesbian wearing a reusable pad mad of mixed fibers? Would that make biblegod's head explode or what??
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:17-18
Nowhere does it say that lying, slander, and hatred is tolerable, either, yet you all indulge in those things without reservation.
The first thing that popped into my mind was, "What about eating homosexuals?"
I am a sick, sick puppy. I should be shunned.
This parable annoys the fuck out of me because even the most devout Christians shouldn't be using it like this. Peter dreams about God/Jesus telling him that all these animals are actually clean after arguing against preaching to Gentiles because we were supposedly just as unclean as pork. Peter learns his lesson that God has revealed to him that nothing is inherently unclean, animal or human, and starts treating Gentiles like people.
So, actually in this case, the Bible is rather explicitly saying that homosexuality is NOT an abomination.
How about a menstruating, shrimp-eating lesbian wearing a reusable pad mad of mixed fibers? Would that make biblegod's head explode or what??
1BurningStake- I did that the other day! Truly I am bound to burn for eternity while Jeffrey Dahmer lives it up in heaven. Polishguy, see anything wrong with this picture?
Eating shrimp with homosexuals while on your period and WEARING MIXED FIBERS - after working all day in a field in which you've sown two different types of grain!
OH NOES!
Cue this picture .
wait, but eating homosexuals is still traif, right?
The whole "shellfish are now kosher" thing was a total gimmick to get people onto the christ-boat, I just know it.
In my Bible it says homosexuality is fine. It's in the Book of Jesus, where after raising from the dead he commands all fundies to shut the hell up and just actually be good instead of inflicting damnation upon everything they have some kind of personal beef with because you don't like something some people are doing that has no affect on you.
Adam 'Man vs. Food' Richman - despite Leviticus - eats pork
PolishingAGuy's chews on a winkle , if you catch my drift...!
He's a closet case. No argument required. [/Freud]
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