To Non-believers?
Can you give me one piece of evidence toward the earth being older then 6000 or so years in age? Mind you I am going to combat your eviendence.
1) The moon is leaving the earth. It i sgetting farther away each year. It also governs the tides. In the past of course the moon was closer. Causing the tides to be so strong that it would flood all of the earth twice daily. And not that long ago either.
2) The earth is slowing down. They call it a leap second. About every two to three years the earth spins one second slower per year. If you look in the past the earth was spinning faster. You wouldn't have to go that far back and everything on earth would fly off into space because of the speed of the earth's spin thus proving earth can;t be millions and millions of years old.
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@Misguided
1) The moon is leaving the earth. It i sgetting farther away each year. It also governs the tides. In the past of course the moon was closer. Causing the tides to be so strong that it would flood all of the earth twice daily. And not that long ago either. 2) The earth is slowing down. They call it a leap second. About every two to three years the earth spins one second slower per year. If you look in the past the earth was spinning faster. You wouldn't have to go that far back and everything on earth would fly off into space because of the speed of the earth's spin thus proving earth can;t be millions and millions of years old.
Wrong. The leap second thing has more to do with the fact that a year's not exactly 24hrs long.
Oil has been shown to be made from just about anything in the matter of a few moments.
And they've oxidized noble elements. All happen under extreme circumstances you'd not find on this planet.
And the half life cannot be accurately determined as we have no knowledge of what decays faster in the past as we aren't sure of the environment or atmosphere which science can tell you would play havoc on the half life.
Wrong! Atomic decay has nothing to do with those things. It happens to be the rate at which the atom sheds various particles.
*Points to King Clone, an 11,700 yeal old tree. Also points out tree rings will occur twice a year only under extremely rare conditions that would leave behind a shit load of evidence.*
1. Yes, the moon is slowly moving farther away from the earth. At approximately 3.8cm per year. Given that the moon is 380 thousand Km out, that means that it's not changing very much. In the past, with gravitational effects, this rate would have been even smaller.
What Napoleon the Clown said - and also if oil can be made from just about anything then just why are Oil companies spending so much money on exploration and drilling the stuff up from inhospitable environments ?
"To Non-believers?"Why is this a question?
"Can you give me one piece of evidence toward the earth being older then 6000 or so years in age?"
Yes, I believe we can.
"Mind you I am going to combat your eviendence."
Please notice how I am NOT quaking in my boots.
"1) The moon is leaving the earth. It i sgetting farther away each year."
That is true, however it is getting farther away from the earth at a wee, small, minute, essentially insignificant rate.
"It also governs the tides. In the past of course the moon was closer. Causing the tides to be so strong that it would flood all of the earth twice daily. And not that long ago either."
That is untrue, however, even if it was true no mention of such a condition is made in your Bible. Global flood, yes, but a twice-daily global flood, no. So, while your making your case for YECism, you are denying the truth of your Bible.
"2) The earth is slowing down. They call it a leap second. About every two to three years the earth spins one second slower per year. If you look in the past the earth was spinning faster. You wouldn't have to go that far back and everything on earth would fly off into space because of the speed of the earth's spin thus proving earth can;t be millions and millions of years old."
Hogwash. I quote from the Defender's Guide to science and Creationism site:
"[A]ccording to Chris Stassen, the rotation of the Earth has actually been slowing only 0.002 seconds per century. This means that in the Devonian period, there would have been around 400 days per year, which in fact corresponds to the approximately 400 daily growth layers per year present in Devonian corals. But Stassen points out that even this rate becomes
much less accurate with increasing time (particularly back to near the origin of the Earth). There are still arguments over the forces which dominate the slowing, and how much stronger or weaker they would have been when integrating backwards in time. (Stassen 1997).
Stassen recommends as resources Thwaites and Awbrey 1982, Cazenave 1982, Bursa 1982, and Mignard 1982."
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"Oil has been shown to be made from just about anything in the matter of a few moments."
Sure, one can express oil from many substances. It doesn't take long to make corn oil from corn. You may be interested to learn that not all oil is exactly the same. Crude oils of the types pumped out of the ground for use as fuels and lubricants take millions of years to form in a natural setting.
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"And the half life cannot be accurately determined as we have no knowledge of what decays faster in the past as we aren't sure of the environment or atmosphere which science can tell you would play havoc on the half life."
The half-life of what?
...Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you throw, say, Carbon-14, into an active volcano, and it would still decay at the same rate? I seem to remember something about half-lives being uncorruptable...
@Shep
...if oil can be made from just about anything then just why are Oil companies spending so much money on exploration and drilling the stuff up from inhospitable environments ?
Scott: you are correct, generally speaking. I suppose, if you started bombarding the sample with neutrons, you might change the half-life, but that has more to do with the fact that you are initiating nuclear fission.
1) The moon is leaving the earth. 2) The earth is slowing down.
True again. It is thought that the collision I mentioned above that formed the moon caused the earth to rotate at a speed of about once every 6 hours. However, the entire planet was molten due to the impact and gravity would have kept anything from "flying off into space." When the earth began to cool, and because the moon was so close, it didn't take but a few million years for it to slow to the 24 hour/day speed. And while it is still slowing down, the rate of deceleration is much, much, less than the 1 second per year that you mention.
The rest of your post is just stupid.
<<< Can you give me one piece of evidence toward the earth being older then 6000 or so years in age? Mind you I am going to combat your eviendence. >>>
Well, Crosis covered this pretty thoroughly, so I'll just add my $.02 to a couple of things he said.
The supernova, SN 1987 A, has been measured at about 169,000 light years away. Since this was done by direct triangulation on the star and the wave front of the ball of radiation as it moved out from the supernova and lit up surrounding space dust, it would be hard to explain by silly stuff like "the speed of light must have changed". Besides, why would a perfect God need to fiddle with the whole basic structure of the universe after he created it? The Gnostics asked a similar question 1,800 years ago.
How does believing God created the universe billions of years ago, rather than 6000 years ago make me a nonbeliever....
Why does believing that God set in motion the forces of evolution, make me a nonbeliever?
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Seriously, i thought our faith was built on faith in Christ Crucified..... not halfbaked science and hyperliteral readings of Scripture.....
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