The terms “committed relationship” and homosexual are diametrically opposed, too. The AVERAGE homosexual man claims to have had sex with over 500 partners.
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Then I don't know any average homosexual men.
Don't AVERAGE straight men also claim to have had sex with many many partners? Why is average in capital letters?
How about the AVERAGE homosexual woman? Oh, you forgot about them as usual?
The terms "committed relationship" and heterosexual are diametrically opposed, too. The AVERAGE heterosexual man claims to have had sex with over 500 partners.
Look, I can make up stuff too!
You have to do better than that, dear fellow. For one, making an affirmation does precisely zilch for your argument if you don't ground it in precise, testable facts (in this case, a link to a sociological study that would verify your claim).
Secondly, I would hardly take anyone's bombastic, boastful claims about their sexual performances seriously in almost any circumstances, since we're all prone to embellishment now and then, aren't we?
Thirdly, where are the lesbians in your little statement of facts? Are we invisible just as always, or do you simply find it more difficult to make up absolutely ridiculous claims about us, given the stereotypical view of women being less sexually active than men?
Well, I think this utterly destroys either itself, or the claim that being gay is a choice. If the average guy got to sleep with 500 people just for being gay, I don't think there would be any straight guys left. Hell, I'd bail.
Actually the claim is from the 1970s. Reported from survey's sent to subscribers of gay porn magazines, most of which were typically found in gay bath houses. Self-selecting surveys of this type are notoriously inaccurate. And indeed the people who published the survey results were careful to note that their results COULD NOT be representative of the whole gay community. But of course Fundies never let the facts get in the way of their bigotry.
"Thirdly, where are the lesbians in your little statement of facts? Are we invisible just as always, or do you simply find it more difficult to make up absolutely ridiculous claims about us, given the stereotypical view of women being less sexually active than men?"
He enjoys girl on girl too much to say anything negative about you.
In most circumstances, that would literally require either fucking every member of the gay community of your area, or traveling far afield just for sex. And possibly both. Is it possible to have sex with that many people? Yes. Is it plausible? No. Especially considering that the "average" gay person is just as likely as anyone else to have a job, go to school, and other things that take up the time this clown thinks is being used only for sex.
You get me into bed with 500 guys and I'll agree with this, Blood, hell, anything else you feel like lying about too.
@Efrain
No more so than for homosexuals, some do, most don't, and the some that do, lie about it.
Fundie Logic : "The AVERAGE homosexual man claims to have had sex with over 500 partners. Therefore, they should be denied jobs, medical coverage and tax deductions, and it's OK to beat them up."
I mean, what's Blood's point? Magic Johnson, as I recall, claimed 2,000 partners; and he wasn't gay.
The terms “committed relationship” and homosexual are diametrically opposed, too.
Bullshit. gays are just as capable of maintaining a committed relationship as straight people are. Are you trying to imply that gays are somehow genetically predisposed against monogamy? That's rich coming from someone who likely denies that there could be a genetic component to human sexuality.
The AVERAGE homosexual man claims to have had sex with over 500 partners.
I take that you actually know so many gay men that you, by yourself, were able to determine what the average number of sexual partners a gay man has? Of course you weren't, you are either pulling this shit right out your ass, or more likely, you are getting this from some anti gay source without bothering to find out whether or not they just pulled it out of their own ass.
If a heterosexual man had over 500 sexual partners would he too be unable to form a committed relationship with someone? Of course he wouldn't, The number of sexual partners, gay or straight, has no bearing on any persons ability to form relationships.
In short, you are full of shit, and I'm willing to bet you already know that.
Yanno, I'll betcha I know a lot more gayfolk than do you. Granted, I'm talking 30somethings and beyond, but most gay people I know are very happily paired off, with enviably gracious homes and families. More picket-fency than my DH and I could ever hope to be. So no, can't really agree on the diametrical opposition thing here.
As to the multiple partners? Yes, I knew gay people who dated a lot in their twenties, but guess what? A lot of normal (aka nonFundie) straights do that as well. It's called "sowing your wild oats". And I think 500 is a lot for all but the wildest and horniest of any orientation, but more power to 'em if they have the energy and practice safe sex.
Best of both worlds can be had in this life.
But I'm guessing that you have never had one person who wanted to have sex with you, much less 500.
The AVERAGE fundie is full of shit and makes up lies on the spot.
Also, my uncle and his partner have been monogamous and faithful to each other for 55 years, go fuck yourself.
So you're essentially imposing a virgin/whore motif on the gay community too? There's something to be said that, biologically, men might be predisposed to more sexual partners than women are, but that's not a universal truth.
(And, out of curiosity, how many of those fictitious 500 partners your homosexual man claims to have had sex with, were women?)
"Reported from survey's sent to subscribers of gay porn magazines, most of which were typically found in gay bath houses."
I figured it was something like that. ALL sexual orientations have a shady subculture of sex addicts who have as much anonymous sex with as many partners as possible. You might as well go to a keg party at a frat house and conclude that the "average" 22-year-old passes out drunk every night. Or go to a convent and conclude that the "average" woman prefers reading the Bible to going out with a boyfriend on a Friday night. But fundies never let a little thing like decent methodology get in the way of manufacturing the statistics they want.
I can't remember ever coming across the actual figure, but a quick search found a 2007 study conducted in China reported that homosexual men had an average of 13.8 different partners in total, while heterosexual men had an average of 4.9.
By the way, BoT, 25% of American heterosexuals engage in anal sex too (American Journal of Psychiatry, 151:330-41), so given the relative proportions of heterosexuals and homosexuals in the population, most butsecks is actually between men and women.
Pick the bones out of that.
Journal of Adolescent Health - 1993 14:208-13.Homophobic attitudes and AIDS risk behavior of adolescents.
"Adolescents in the United States are increasingly knowledgeable about acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS), yet they are notoriously resistant to behavioral changes that would reduce their personal risk, such as practicing abstinence, using condoms, or careful selection of sexual partners. [... Research suggests] that many adolescents do not feel vulnerable to AIDS because they still see AIDS as a Gay disease. Those who are most prejudiced against Gays are, on average, five times more willing to engage in indiscriminant sex as are the least prejudiced group; among males, this effect is even greater. In addition, highly prejudiced adolescents are twice as willing to have sex without using a condom. This study indicates the importance of dealing with homophobic attitudes in the context of AIDS education."
So who's to blame for the spread of AIDS again?
The AVERAGE???? Can there be such a thing?
It would be impossible to get any kind of accurate statistic on this as those who are in relationships probably don't take about them because of hostility.
It's different here in Europe. I live in a small village - 300 people - with my long-term partner (36 years) and nobody is in the least interested. They are too busy getting on with their own lives.
As to stats again, I wouldn't be bothered answering questions. My life is private and decent. I don't need to try to convince people that I am something wonderful when they are too occupied with their own affairs.
Well damn, I wish homosexual women were that open. Here I am, a lesbian in her mid-20s, and I've only had sex with three women. Damn those men, damn them.
@Swedish PaganHow about the AVERAGE homosexual woman? Oh, you forgot about them as usual?
Oh, we're not homosexual, we just haven't met the right man yet!
This is a nitpicking quibble, but a common misunderstanding. The word "average" has no mathematical definition. Mathematicians define "average" as either "mean" or "median" (or mode, which we can ignore in this case) Here's the difference. If 4 guys have sex with 5 partners and one has sex with 200, the mean is 220/5 = 44, which doesn't correspond to any actual person. The median, however, is the central value in the series 5,5,5,5,200 = 5. Median is always used in cases of "skewed" distributions, which I'm sure is the case with sexual activity.
So in other words, guys like to lie about how many times they get laid.
This is not as world-shaking a revelation as you think it is.
All these comments to this quote would have it that the fundie is wrong, but I'm a gay man who can tell you that if every type of sexual experience counts, 500 in a lifetime is completely normal for gay men.
The AVERAGE fundie claims he has a relationship with Jesus. He also claims that god talks especially to him.
But the averange fundie also beats his kids and calls it "education". He also argues for the death penalty, war and shooting people (if god "told him so) and claims to be "pro life".
The average fundi is a lying, dumb, bigot dickhead and he should just fuck off most of the time.
I'm a homosexual and I've been in a committed relationship for over four years.
Claim disproven. Next, please.
Well, the same could be said of Christians being porn addicts, regarding statistics of where porn is most consumed, that is THE BIBLICAL BELT.
< The AVERAGE homosexual man claims to have had sex with over 500 partners. >
Funny, that's what many heterosexual guys tell me, too. Even funnier that if I ask them more about this, they usually drop off one of the zeroes. Sometimes even the second zero too, but I really don't want to pressure anyone too much. ^_^
Lucky guy! Although, thinking about it, quite difficult to achieve. I mean, sometimes you can get away with turning up to work wearing the same clothes you had on last night, as long as they aren't party clothes, but saying this figure of 500 was carried out over the course of 4 years, that's still twice a week. People would probably start calling you a slut.
Bullshit.
"They will have access to children through adoption. These children will grow up to be new homosexuals. They will never know the beauty of life coming from the love of their spouse. The state does not want that importance put on life. Life must be secondary to the state, always."
They really have no idea do they?
"The AVERAGE homosexual man claims to have had sex with over 500 partners."
And yet in all my years I have yet to meet any such person. Even among my sluttier friends.( who are not the average)
Hell, my straight Catholic sister has had more sexual partners then me.
Bearing in the mind that people live, on average 70 years, and not all them are they sexually active or fertile, and that they're likely to meet no more than 100 people in 5 years................numbers don't match.
I thought the average man claims to have sex with over 500 partners.
What's the old saying, "take what a man says and 1/2 it, take what a woman says and double it". Gee, I wonder why that is.
Citation needed. I know several homosexual men, and none of them have claimed anything of the sort.
Many partners might have been the case (not 500 perhaps) when homosexual men had to make do with quick encounters with strangers. But as soon as they had the chance to be open about their relationships, they seem as stable and faithful as homosexual women and heterosexual men and women are.
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