Marcia #homophobia #fundie

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Do you live in a cave? The agenda is to make society accept homosexuality as normal and good.

Have you noticed that

...anyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral is called a "homophobe" and has "narrow views?"

...books and magazines extolling gay behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?

...there are programs in schools to teach children that homosexuality is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area) and that gay marriage is okay?

...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the gay culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?

....that many once conservative churches (not to mention the liberal ones) accept homosexual couples as members, and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?

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old comment by Mudak

Seems like a good exercise in circular reasoning if you ask me.

1. You have proven a hypothesis that I have, which holds that the words moral and immoral are words that seriously need to be reduced in usage. Teaching people that something innate in another person is immoral make you xenophobic. Xenophobia aimed at the gay community is homophobia, pure and simple.

2. Notwithstanding the fact that there's more of them -- which is to say that the applicable folks in marketing realized that there's money to be made by catering to the gay community -- I'd say they're no easier to find today than they were 20 years ago or so...

3. Well, if honesty is okay, why shouldn't these things be taught as okay. There's not enough programs out there, actually.

4. And how is this different from the changing definition of shocking in straight circles? Need I remind you that when Elvis Presley appeared on Ed Sullivan, they only showed him from the waist up because of objections to him
moving his hips?

5. Like the magazine issue, this sounds more like a question of economics with PR thrown in. I, personally loved that United Church of Christ ad from a few years ago with the bouncer turning people away from the church...

old comment by Blaidd Drwg

As a rather amusing thought experiment, substitute "Homosexual" for "Black" and see how the post reads:

Have you noticed that

...anyone who thinks Being Black is immoral is called a "nigraphobe" and has "narrow views?"

...books and magazines extolling black behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?

...there are programs in schools to teach children that Being Black is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area) and that black marriage is okay?

...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the black culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?

....that many once conservative churches (not to mention the liberal ones) accept black couples as members, and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?

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"Do you live in a cave? The agenda is to make society accept homosexuality as normal and good."

Please show that homosexuality is not normal. Also, describe the criteria by which you judged homosexuality to not be good, or at least as good as any other sexual preference, then establish your credentials for being the judge of such things.

"Have you noticed that

...anyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral is called a 'homophobe' and has 'narrow views?'"

Yes, because they are.

"...books and magazines extolling gay behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?"

Before what? And, so what?

"...there are programs in schools to teach children that homosexuality is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area) and that gay marriage is okay?"

Uh, even if that actually is true... so what?

"...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the gay culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?"

Uh huh, as is the more extreme and bizarre fringe of heterosexual behavior.

"....that many once conservative churches (not to mention the liberal ones) accept homosexual couples as members, and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?"

Uh huh. I support your right not to go to those churches.

old comment by J.T.

Do you live in a cave? The agenda is to make society accept homosexuality as normal and good.

Oh no, promoting tolerance!

...anyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral is called a "homophobe" and has "narrow views?"

Yeah, that tends to be the case. Ever noticed how a person who kills another person is labeled a "murderer"?

...books and magazines extolling gay behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?

This would be because people are more tolerant of gays. You're less likely to get hanged for writing about being gay, so people do it more often.

...there are programs in schools to teach children that homosexuality is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area)

Good. It's about time we started teaching people to be more tolerant.

and that gay marriage is okay?

Is there a reason it's not? "My invisible friend says so" is not a reason.

...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the gay culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?

No shit.

....that many once conservative churches (not to mention the liberal ones) accept homosexual couples as members

They probably learned to stop cherry-picking from the Bible and became a little more loving and caring. You know, paying attention to that whole "love thy neighbor" thing.

and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?

So don't go to those churches if you're that intolerant of it.

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THE TRUE AGENDA!!

Do you live in a cave? The agenda is to make society reject homosexuality as evil and wrong.

Have you noticed that

...anyone who thinks homosexuality is moral is called a "fag" and is "hellbound?"

...books and radio shows extolling anti-gay behavior are easy to buy or hear at anywhere and have been for far too long?

...there are programs in churches to teach children that homosexuality is evil (this has been going on for over 2000 yrs. in my area) and that gay marriage is worse than Hitler?

...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the fundamentalist culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?

....that many conservative churches accept violent homophobes as members, and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?

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...anyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral is called a "homophobe" and has "narrow views?"

That's because they are. Hey, the truth hurts.

...books and magazines extolling gay behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?

And that's a bad thing how...?

...there are programs in schools to teach children that homosexuality is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area) and that gay marriage is okay?

Well good for them (if that's true anyway). It's nice to see that our schools are doing something right.

...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the gay culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?

So what?

....that many once conservative churches (not to mention the liberal ones) accept homosexual couples as members, and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?

Again, good for them. Why is that a bad thing now?

old comment by Panz

And do you live in a cave, Marcia? Have you noticed these things tend to increase the more you oppress and discriminate? Are you really that tight butted that you need to tell everyone what to think at the expense of shunning people? Is this Christ like in any way, cause I coulda sworn he welcomed everyone, and spent more time helping those shunned by society.

"and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?"
I'd like a citation for this...cause it sounds like you're passing that alter boy issue with the church to use as a point in your rant after twisting it to support your point

I wish you could be shunned for something trivial you do or like by society like many others have been for merely being gay, or fat, or wear glasses, or having a disease and so on. Right to the point you're contemplating suicide or desperately trying to stop it...just so you'd get another view

old comment by Mike Sihl

"Do you live in a cave? The agenda is to make society accept homosexuality as normal and good."

Oh the horror!!!

"Have you noticed that

...anyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral is called a "homophobe" and has "narrow views?"

Which is true

"...books and magazines extolling gay behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?"

And books extolling hateful and homophobic behavoir are also easy to buy or find at the library. Freedom is a 2-way street.

"...there are programs in schools to teach children that homosexuality is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area) and that gay marriage is okay?"

And yet you guys have been given the opportunity to prove that homosexuality and gay marriage isn't ok and all you've come up with is that it makes a being that nobody has proven to exist angry.

"...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the gay culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?"

Yes, I think it's a great thing that people are turning about from bronze age and medieval worldviews and accepting that it's 2010, not 1310.

"...that many once conservative churches (not to mention the liberal ones) accept homosexual couples as members, and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?"

I also think it's a great thing that churches are progressing into the 21st century too.

old comment by JSS

"...anyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral is called a "homophobe" and has "narrow views?""

Hey. If the shoe fits...

"...books and magazines extolling gay behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?"

And the problem with providing resources to those who have homosexual orientations and struggle with self-hatred put on by society is?

"...there are programs in schools to teach children that homosexuality is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area) and that gay marriage is okay?"

Yes. Terrible that they teach children not to "hate fags".

At least such programs don't indoctrinate children into christian fanatics devoted to the point of suicide bombing. (Jesus Camp)

"...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the gay culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?"

Well yes. I don't care for the parades and much of the ultra femmed out, sex crazed display many in that community put on.

But let's talk about the extreme nature of some heteros. Last I checked no gay ever beat a straight to death and tied them to a fence simply for being straight.

"....that many once conservative churches (not to mention the liberal ones) accept homosexual couples as members, and more churches are ordaining them as ministers?"

Well that's their decision, and I say good for them. Maybe they finally realized how rediculous it is to quote morality from Leviticus, or to determine a person's character by his/her sexual orientation.

old comment by Vegetable Rights Activist

Do you live in a cave? The agenda is to make society accept Judaism as normal and good.

Have you noticed that

...anyone who thinks Judaism is immoral is called an "anti-semite" and has "narrow views?"

...books and magazines extolling Jewish behavior are easy to buy or find at the library, whereas before, they weren't?

...there are programs in schools to teach children that Judaism is okay (this has been going on for over 10 yrs. in my area) and that Jewish marriage is okay?

...the more extreme and bizarre fringe of the Jewish culture is now more acceptable or at least not as shocking to people?

....that many once conservative countries (not to mention the liberal ones) accept Jewish couples as citizens, and more countries are ordaining them as leaders?

It's scary how easy that was.

Marcia #homophobia #fundie baptistboard.com

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