The point that all darwinists miss is that according to this theory there is a constant struggle for survival, however this is manifested it is still a struggle.
The problem is that under this model mankind could not survuve unless there was more cooperation that competition. Since we have survived based on cooperation, it means that there is not now nor could there ever have been a "constant struggle for survival".
Evolution is so patently false that any 8 year old can see it.
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Neshama, to pick one example at random, go and google "the social contract".
You may find that what an 8 year old rejects, an 18 year old can argue for.
Quantum physics is so patently false that any eight year old can see it.
Yes, Neshama, it takes more than a grade three education to appreciate the complexity of the real world. You will notice this once you get there.
You say: survival is the motive behind cooperation.
And: this is obviously incompatible with evolution which, in contrast, would picture survival as the motive.
I think any 8 year old can see how stupid this is.
wrong...
evolution does not rule cooperation between individuals. If cooperation leads to a higher probability of an individual's genes being passed on, then it is a trait that will be passed on. With regard to human development, it was our evolved ability to coordinate and plan hunting trips that let our species take down and consume other physically stronger species such as sabertooth's or mammoth's.
OK, so the fact we had to band together to survive, which is why we evolved the way we did, is proof that we didn't have to band togther to survive?
WTF!
A more generous reading would stress the "struggle" part. This way, he might be arguing that (1) with cooperation, there is no struggle of man-vs-man or man-vs-nature (2) given there is no struggle, there is either no selective mechanism or selective pressure (I'm not really sure which he's arguing) to choose between men (3) with no selective mechanism, there is no evolution.
He seems to be assuming that live/die are the only options for evolution. But, of course, evolution is actually about differing reproduction rates, which happen even in a peaceful and cooperative culture.
Further, how does our current state of (questionable) cooperation rule out evolution for our entire past and for all species? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
Actually, he makes a good argument for the development of speech, bipedalism and social interaction amongst humans. Apart from the fact that he is a Hannity-fuckwad, he's not far off the mark.
I'm really tired of hearing these fundie retards saying evolution couldn't work that way, or that our origins cannot be explained by it, and yet being unable to produce a logical alternative for the way the world, and life upon it, came to be other than "Goddidit".
That answer doesn't explain the fossil record, nor for that matter does Noah's flood.
Go back to the drawing board you morons.
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“The point that all darwinists”
It’s the Theory of Evolution. NOT a religion, not a cult of personality. Just say ToE supporters.
“miss is that according to this theory there is a constant struggle for survival, however this is manifested it is still a struggle.”
Well, survive AND have lots of babies to continue the generations.
“The problem is that under this model mankind could not survuve unless there was more cooperation that competition.”
Um, yeah. We cooperate in the community in order to survive threats like predators, famine, pestilence, and middle managers fucking up the food production, distribution, or storage.
"Since we have survived based on cooperation, it means that there is not now nor could there ever have been a "constant struggle for survival".”
So, you saw one textbook say that humans survive by cooperation and think all humanity cooperates for everyone’s benefit.
Wars. Pirates. Gangs. Greed. Nationalists. Racists. Slavers.
“Evolution is so patently false that any 8 year old can see it.”
And when you’re 9, maybe you’ll actually understand waht you’re trying to talk about?
Humans with their advanced brain make a huge difference. It's not "Evolutionists" or "Darwinists", it's science. Biology includes the understanding of punctuated equilibrium where at some times and places some species may evolve more rapidly and others appear to stall. The human can invent what is needed to survive in environments that would have naturally selected him out. Most species that existed are extinct.
Your denial of the overwhemling evidence shows ignorance, but is also probably evidence of deception to manipulate.
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