There's nothing wrong with forcing non-Christians to live like Christians. We Christians are the ones who have something to offer non-Christians -- not the other way around.
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And what exactly, is 'living as a Christian'? YOUR personal, deluded interpreation of what a True Christian is? Um, no. There's millions of Christians, and they all have varying views on things. There's no "living as a Christian." You don't want people to live as Christians, you just want to control them. Admit it.
Forcing persons to act as if they believe that which they do not believe is stupid, wrong and mostly ineffective.
We know what you Christians are offering and we don't want it. It is a delusion, a fantasy. We atheists aren't trying to force you to become smart or wise. We aren't trying to force you to give up your religious delusions, we just want you to stop forcing your beliefs into government policies and to quit harassing us to join in your delusion.
We invite you to shake off your delusions and join us in reality, living rationally, but we don't insist on it.
Sharia law, xtian fundie fashion.
Try it, asshole, and I'll set your babble on fire and shove it up your fat ass.
Then surely you won't mind if you're forced to obey this Bible verse:
I Peter 4:15: But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or [as] a thief, or [as] an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
What are you offering again? Joyless, infrequent sex. Bad music. Worse literature. And a fiendish delight in harming others based on gender, sexual orientation, race, and/or language group. Thanks, but no thanks.
Also: 'It should be self-evident to any Christian what a Christian is supposed to believe and how a Christian is supposed to live. As an atheist, you would not know this -- but it still does not relieve you of the responsibility of living like a Christian if you are going to CHOOSE to live in a Christian society.'
Utterly arrogant bullshit, to the point where at least one fellow member called troll. I'm an atheist, but I fully know what's expected of various cults of Christianity, and to a lesser extent Islam, Buddhism, and other mythologies.
Yep, you have so much to offer us non-Christians. So much, in fact, that is exactly why I left Christianity to become an atheist almost 20 years ago. Would you care to try again?
I grew up Christian. I know what it has to offer. In fact, I know a damned sight more about it than you ever will. And anyone who believes he has nothing to learn from those with different backgrounds and beliefs is, for all practical purposes, dead.
When I submitted this I didn't look at the date of it... it's actually from very late last year... but I found it because the thread it appeared on was still active . Pretty amazing.
Yes, I sometimes think loininoil is a troll. Things like this just scream troll. And yet, amazingly, there are those that we know are not trolls, not Poes, who really do think and believe similar things. So it's hard, very hard, to tell.
Except we pastafarians reject dogma outright, so they would be pretty much free to do anything they like. This of course excludes the "I'd really rather you didn't"s.
I love how adherents keep telling me I can't contemplate divinity or eternity cus I don't believe their fairy tale version of it. But it's o.k. cus FSM told me they're stupid.
Peas be upon you.
There's nothing wrong with forcing
And this is the exact point where you lost me. If you cannot see how there's everything wrong with forcing another person to behave in a certain way against their will, then it's pointless to discuss this any further.
Try this on:
@The Imam
There's nothing wrong with forcing infidels to live like Muslims. We Muslims are the ones who have something to offer Christians -- not the other way around.
Actually, we have more than enough logic and reason for everyone, but you guys always slap it away. You don't even say "no" politely .
I think we've even got some acceptance here somewhere, but you've all monopolized the "X Apologist" kind already.
Something to offer? What? I mean, your god stuck this tree in Eden and said "Now don't you kids touch that tree," knowing A'n'E would, because they were created in his image and his mind works in this perverse fashion. Then he damned everybody not born yet forever for this. Then he decided to save us all by killing his kid, only not really, and if we don't buy into this little sick little scheme we're going to hell. Thus his followers think it's fine to force people to do what they want. Oooh, where do I sign up?
If what you "have to offer" are the sort of rape-apologist, sexist, racist, homophobic, bigot opinions that I keep seeing on this site, I much prefer staying in my open-minded, educated, morally defensible reality, ta very much.
Well to be fair, christians have helped me quite a lot. They've taught me; do what I say, not what i do, I've learned about pride, arrogance, thievary, lying, dishonesty, secret agendas, conspiracy theories, imagined persecution and the shunning of facts. I've learned to communicate better from countless discussions, I've learned to debate better, how to spot fallacious arguments and not fall into those traps. I've learned to keep my cool when even those who are supposed to be honest with me, lie in an attempt to trick me. So thanks to fundies everywhere; I couldn't be this cynical with out'cha!
...I like people. I reallyreally do. I love to believe the best of people. It's how I was raised.(I was also baptised, but my mother went 'no' when they told her to raise me christian I love her for that.)
But please . Kill yourself and any spawn you may have. I fear for the sanity of my non-existant children if anyone else who thinks like you is released upon the world.
at what point do we draw the line, asshole.
I'm Christian, but your smug self-righteousness really ticks me off. All people have something to offer to the world, no matter what religion they follow. I would definitely say that a generous, loving, creative Muslim would have much more to offer than a selfish, narrow-minded Christian. I don't want to force other people to live like me. Quite frankly, I don't want to force other people to do anything that they don't want to do. Just shut up already, lioninoil, you're not doing us any favors.
“There's nothing wrong with forcing non-Christians to live like Christians.”
“ We Christians are the ones who have something to offer non-Christians -- not the other way around.”
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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