The Crusades was an integral part of the fight between Islam's desire to dominate the world, suffice it to say. Don't use diversion tactics, please.
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@jc: I don't understand it either. You'd think a game featuring wizards, dwarves, etc. would get as much flack as Harry Potter.
The fundies probably all play as Human Alliance scum though.
Why don't I ever see this weird crap in WoW forums...
Last time I checked, the pope declared the crusades to remove the muslims... So stfu and learn some history.
World of Wankers (sorry WoW mods, but that's what you are becoming to be known as) seems to be attracting charcters that are wierder than the game.
Yes... He is technically right...
It was basically like Hitler vs. Stalin... Both want to rule the world, but ran into each other and fought each other to a grinding halt.
However the main argument was "not" to capture jerusalem but to capture constantinople and control the Silk road.
The muslims were threatening to capture it and already were a problem before the Byzantine empire asked for help from the pope who promptly besieged Constantinople on the way to the crusades.
Of course we don't know if this theory is correct since that period was really screwed up in terms of belief.
Gee, this fundie really needs to learn history.
The Crusades were preached in 1095 by Pope Urban II, in response to a plea for help from the Eastern Roman Emperor (Alexios Komnenos) following the decisive (Seljuk Turkish) Muslim victory at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071.
Were they a Christian-Muslim war? Sure (except the Fourth Crusade, which was against other Christians). Were they a response to Muslim attempts at world domination? At best, the point can be argued.
Less charitable people (such as myself) give such an argument a big FAIL. The Crusades were, first and foremost, a political-military event. Religion was the excuse, not the motivator.
It's like: 'What's the difference between a duck.'
Something's missing - like commonsense, intelligence, contrast, complementarity.... I dunno. T'ain't complete.
No, the fight between Islam's desire to dominate the world ended (for that period) when Charles Martel defeated the Caliphate in the 800s.
Another point where it ended (once the Ottoman Empire sort of restarted it) was in the 1600s against Vienna.
The Crusades really didn't have much to do with it besides a bunch of Western tards wanting to "liberate the Holy Land."
Protip: When you use the word "between", you are expected to provide not one, but two dependent clauses. Separated by "and", usually.
Not a fundie statement, per se.
I'm always baffled by this common thread about the crusades. The Muslims WERE equally responsible. Neither side was innocent. There's a long history of provocation on both sides, there.
I'll agree that neither side was innocent, because the only way to be innocent in war is the way that gets you killed, but anything that the Muslims did would really only have provoked the Christians if the Christians wanted it to. People of different religions coexisted in the Muslim cities, it wasn't a case of 'be Muslim or gtfo,' or even 'we'll threaten you with a sword until you become Muslim or gtfo.' So it's not as if the Christians came in to defend their people from actual bad things going on, they came in because they couldn't stand other people having "their" stuff, even though they were miles away from it. It's one of those situations where even though there is blame on both sides, there's more on one side than the other.
The crusades were a fight to dominate Jerusalem and Constantinople, thus dominating the trade routes between the middle east, Europe and the Mediterranean.
Oh, so sad.
1) @ thelivingguano - Here's your free internet.
You can't be between just one thing. Who's using the diversio tactics?
So, it's ok for Christianity to desire to dominate the world, but not for Islam? Who made you the kings of the world? And don't say God, as Allah means God, too. God is telling them to rule the world, God is telling you to rule the world. He has got to make up his mind, that God dude. Or maybe he wants you to cooperate in ruling the world? Nah, that would be too benign.
Confused?
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