Who would Jesus waterboard?
Fischer argued on his radio program today that the Bible makes certain things permissible during times of war that would not be permissible during times of peace, adding that Jesus is a "warrior" who would probably approve of torture. "Christianity is not a pacifist religion," Fischer said. "The God that we serve is described in Exodus 15 as a 'man of war.' Now we often think of gentle Jesus, meek and mild, but let's not forget, according to Romans 19:13, when he comes back ... he will be riding a white horse and wearing his own robe, dipped in blood. That is a robe that is worn by a warrior who is inflicting casualties on the foe. So this is gentle Jesus, meek and mild; when we comes back, his robe is going to be dipped in blood because he too is a warrior":
http://www.afa.net/the-stand/the-culture-war/liberals-would-turn-bibles-heroes-into-war-criminals/
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Perhaps so, but Jesus didn't say it was okay for any of us to torture or kill did He?
Are you claiming to be authorised to act on His behalf, even against His instructions...?
Random questioner: "So, if an Arab nation waterboarded an American prisoner..."
Bryan Fischer (agitated): "MUSLIM Arabs waterboarding a CHRISTIAN American??? Why, that would be an ATROCITY!!!!"
@Goomy pls:
"But if an Arab nation waterboarded an American prisoner, you'd call it a despicable injustice, right? "
Those who live by the waterboard will die by the waterboard.
John McCain would like a word with you, Bryan Fischite. In his incarceration by the Vietcong, that was done to him.
On one of the digital Freeview channels last night, there was a film 'war biography' about his experiences at the 'Hanoi Hilton'. A 'dramatised' adaptation of real life events it may have been, but I was disturbed at the waterboarding scenes. And I've watched the "Saw" & "Hostel" films, so I'm pretty hardened, re. 'gore' (which is visual effects after all).
Were those scenes in "The Passion of the Christ" not enough for you, Bri?
You know, if a Christian were reading this about something Muslims believe, they'd be criticizing them for all being violent terrorists. But they seem to have absolutely no problem with their own violent war god and the imagery of his son wearing a coat dripping with blood of the people he killed, and in fact seem to relish it. Looks like Bryan Fischer has serious mental problems.
Not to mention the "Do unto others as I have done unto you" thing. They have twisted it to mean "Do unto others before they do unto you."
Fine. But then don't promote Christianity as a religion of peace or try to claim the moral high ground. You want Christianity to be a religion of war and torture? Then you have no right to criticize Islam as a religion of terrorism. You have no right being outraged about what the Romans did to Christians. You have no right to complain if some other religion comes along and destroys you and your followers. Sure, it's easy for you to say "all's fair in war" when you're part of a big, bad superpower and your religion dominates it. But your religion was once small and it will be small again in the future. You better hope people don't take your ideology to heart and that the reversal of fortunes doesn't happen in your lifetime. Lucky for you, most people aren't assholes like you so you'll likely never get a taste of your own medicine despite how much you deserve it.
Blood for Yahweh! Skulls for the Skull Throne!
Seriously though, if you sincerely believe that this Jesus exists, I can understand worshipping him out of cold blooded self interest. I can't say I wouldn't do the same. But to love and revere him as the source of all good and joy? What kind of self loathing misanthrope would you have to be to do that?
@1744005,
Bryan is quoting the Bible. Jesus claimed that he was one with Yahweh Sabbaoth, the god of the Torah. And Jesus also introduced the concept of Hell. When Yahweh killed you, by plague or Levite henchmen, he was done.
You know, Bryan, if your "heroes" commit acts that, by the general consensus of the world, are war crimes, that's your problem, not the world's.
As for Jesus as a warrior, I don't know, maybe under the right circumstances he could be. He's reputedly a bright guy, I'm sure he realizes that some potential enemies are willing to make peace and some aren't and maybe even a bit of how to tell the difference. But you can't pretend that he would want nothing but war, war, war. Even if you're right about that passage it's just one example. People with ethics more complicated than Belkar Bitterleaf can advocate peace in some situations and violence in others.
My Bible's a bit rusty, but isn't there something about "a time to make war, a time to make peace"?
Blood for the Blood Robe?
Edit; Wait, I know why the blood robe thing seems so familiar! Red Caps (a type of evil fairy or goblin) would violently murder anyone who entered their territory and then dip their caps in the blood of their victims. So basically, Jesus is one of the Fair Folk.
Fischer argued on his radio program today that the Bible makes certain things permissible during times of war that would not be permissible during times of peace,
You're not in a real war. There hasn't been a real war for America since 1945. You're fighting with a keyboard, screaming at somebody halfway across the country while you're stuffing Cheetos into your food hatch like it's effin' wheat grass and guzzling down jerrycans of Coca Cola complaining about your economic hardship to a minor on X-box Live who keeps mowing you down like a lawnmower because his parents are out crusading against video game violence. You don't have balls, you couldn't cut it in even the draft program for 'nam. How will you argue for torturing prisoners when you shit yourself at the thought of going outside where you might be mugged by gangbangers from the hood? There are thousands of people living in your country I could disagree with who have a more principled stance against torture for reasons of personal experience than your chickenhawk white pansy-ass.
but let's not forget, according to Romans 19:13, when he comes back ... he will be riding a white horse and wearing his own robe, dipped in blood.
Jesus of Nazareth, second Horseman of the Apocalypse.
"Who would Jesus waterboard?"
Nobody.
"his robe is going to be dipped in blood because he too is a warrior"
Yeah and even then I'm pretty sure he wouldn't torture anybody, he would, as they say, kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out.
Stop trying to justify torture for god's sake it is not something good guys ever do. This wouldn't be such a big problem if most Americans weren't convinced they're best goddamn thing to happen to this earth and everything they do is right by default.
@Creedence
He's Chevy Chase?
Uh, that bit about the white horse, blood robe, sword....that's symbolism.
....and it's in The Book of Revelation...not Romans which has 15 chapters.
THERE YOU HAVE IT, FOLKS! FRUMS DO NOT EVEN READ THEIR OWN BIBLE! THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS! THEY DO NOT WORSHIP THE REAL JESUS "THE PRINCE OF PEACE"! THEY WORSHIP ANTICHRIST!!
Jesus was mostly a man of peace! He was practically a proto-hippie!
Sorry Fischer but you MUST BOW TO "GENTLE JESUS MEEK & MILD" FOR "PEACE & LOVE" RULES!!!
The DOVE will feast on the carcass of the Hawk! The Meek WILL inherit the Earth! The Feminine will reign alongside (and reform) the Masculine!
IF YOU WANT A VISION OF THE FUTURE
Unlike Orwell, I refuse to believe that humanity can't change for the better!
Fischer argued on his radio program today that the Bible makes certain things permissible during times of war that would not be permissible during times of peace,
As I understand it the USA basically never officially declares wars any more, so you fail even on your own terms, Mr Fischer.
he will be riding a white horse and wearing his own robe, dipped in blood
That's a fucking horrific image. If you like that shit, there's something wrong with you.
The constant quoting of Mosaic law is simply sloppy, since Jesus said he had come to overturn Mosaic law. It was clear he was saying everything is different now. He was also really clear about love thy enemy. To be fair, that takes a lot of courage - more than I have - so I can see how so many Christians fail at that. You know who doesn't fail at that? Malala Yousafzai - who (as far as I know) never speaks of violent retribution for the violence committed against her.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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