Moreover, Imam Hamza Yusuf’s analysis obfuscates the manner in which the very judicial system discriminates against non-white ways of being in the world even in the manifestation of so-called anti-discrimination laws. Kenneth Nunn writes,”The very form that legal reasoning and legal analysis takes affirms white Eurocentric culture.”
Nunn argues that the law inherently portrays subjective, arational, intuitive thought as inferior and yet these ways of knowing are inherent in African and Native American culture. Thus, the judicial system of America is replete with Eurocentric ways of knowing which need to be addressed and combated instead of praised.
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[looks at the Myan number system]
[looks at what Europe was using at the time]
[looks at you, the reader, just to check if you're seeing what pyro's seeing]
the gut feeling of the judge is not a viable way of determining guilt or innocence!
nor is divination or the sacred art of making shit up!
Apparently you can get on patheos while having all the thoughtfullness of a goldfish cause clearly this has not been thought through.
you know what white racists call the time when they could get away with their subjective biases being backed by the power of the state?
THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
"...subjective, arational, intuitive thought..." - it isn't that it is necessarily inferior. It is that we honor facts over feelings in a court of law, as we should. We make people prove things with objective evidence.
The law doesn't portray subjective or intuitive thought as inferior , merely more difficult . There are many subjective tests in various laws - look for them especially in commercial law, like consumer protection and fraud statutes, but they also occur in criminal law - where the jury is called upon to assess whether or not a "reasonable individual" would have made the judgment call that the defendant or plaintiff did. Where possible, though, the law prefers to rely on objective tests, not because they're "better", but because they can be more reliably established weeks or months after the fact, using evidence that has been preserved in a chain of custody and protected against tampering.
In either case, lawmakers, judges, and lawyers (if a "bowyer" is someone who makes bows, why isn't a "lawyer" the one who makes law?) have established these principles over the century not as an attack in some fictitious cultural war between Europe and the rest of the world, but to protect their own people and bring about justice in their own community. They like to think that with that much trial and error it's gotten at least mildly better than what came before.
Also, the word you're looking for is "irrational".
I'm rather impressed. This post managed to:
* find a paragraph that sounds nuts
@pyro ,
It wasn't exactly hard. Hakeem proudly identifies as a critical race theorist, and I read his posts for the laughs more for the substance. I only submitted this quote because it's the first time, to my knowledge, that he's written something blatantly stupid. Typically, with the more left leaning* fundies, they hide their outrageous beliefs behind two or three layers of pretentious babble. When they forget to do that, it's a treat.
* I call Hakeem left leaning despite not knowing all of his beliefs because the positions he has expressed (responding to any criticism of Islam with "but only the West did slavery", using the phrase "microaggression" unironically, and accusing anyone he disagrees with on politics, even Clinton, of being racist) are far more popular on the left than the right.
...I don't know if this is crazy enough for me to WTF it, or merely dumb.
Never mind, WTF'd because I've heard this kind of thing before, from people who I thought were pretty smart.
ETA: Usually, I see people talking about "different ways of knowing" when they're peddling some kind of woo. First time I've seen that phrase applied to law, though.
Tough shit. Use your methods to produce real life results and we will consider them.
Why the fuck do you retarded monkey HAVE to tear down the one concept which made us advance and better ourselves through millenia. This wasn`t any improvement in your view? In mine it was a definite one and I don`t care that it makes you uncomfortable and fucks with your simplified perception. Yeah I don`t care that you feel wronged by the reality not being what you wanted it to be. You want to live by your instincts and irrational impulses, go right ahead but first either you go or all we rational, reality embracing folks will, perhaps to Mars.
I`m not joking, the idea of living every day on a permanent colony separated by space from this shitpool of tribalistic apes, living in a setting where their entitled kind of barely sentient couch potatoes simply can not exist, much less try to enforce their pathetic little frustrated existence on the rest of us. Ach, the very notion of a small contained society where every member is a highly educated specialist in their field with good basics in several other subjects.
@Skide
"Why the fuck do you retarded monkey HAVE to tear down the one concept which made us advance and better ourselves through millenia."
Because if they do not then they have to accept that their religious beliefs have basis in reality; they are unreasonable.
"I`m not joking, the idea of living every day on a permanent colony separated by space from this shitpool of tribalistic apes,"
How do stop your colony people from becoming a 'shitpool of tribalistic apes'? Isn't suggesting to 'split up' kind of what a 'tribalistic ape' would do?
Having lived among Native Americans, they don't trip about all day in a cloud of woo. When it comes to getting a task accomplished or finding out who stole something, they are as evidence-based and empirical as anyone else. The so-called "Eurocentric ways of knowing" didn't really make much headway until the 18th century, so there's nothing innately European or White about them. Look at all the "arational" Whites we have in the US today.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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