(In a thread devoted to removing the Confederate flag from government property.)
This has become a Reichstag fire for the anti-Southern (and often additionally anti-White) bigots on the Left.
In Germany, the burning of the Reichstag by an individual Jew was essentially used by the Nazi party to demonize ALL Jews as enemies of the state. Leftist bigots are using (and conflating) Roof's crime as an excuse to erase the Confederate flag, and by extension marginalizing everyone who possesses one. No distinction is made, or sought, about why unrelated individuals possess and/or honor the flag. This is a coordinated, politicized attack on every Confederate flag owner.. who the cultural-Marxist left are reducing to enemies of their state. People who think the American flag is safe from the cultural-Marxist bigots, don't understand the world we're living in. The Rebel flag is the low hanging fruit, but everything heaped on the Confederate flag, will eventually be used to demonize and eventually erase the 'racist' American flag.
And where are the middle of the road Libertarians, don't you guys see what's happening, and fear this kind of cultural McCarthyism (?) It's bigoted hysteria, that's just getting warmed up.. Freedom of expression was designed for all, especially ideas/symbols that are controversial.
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That wasn't even the flag of the Confederacy. That formerly obscure battle flag was popularized by the KKK. And usually, when traitors lose an insurrection, their flag is the least of what is taken from them. You just look up what the classic punishment was in Great Britain.
Um, no. The guy was blamed for burning down the Reichstag - who is also the most likely culprit, was Dutch, not Jewish. The Jews of Germany were living people of every kind of politics and of many kinds of (ir)religious opinion. The Confederate flag, by contrast, is a piece of cloth which was not the national flag of a country that disappeared 150 years ago raised in battle in a cause that died 150 years ago. And don't pretend that Old Glory is next: the flag represents a union of 50 states born of the War of Independence. That will last as long as the Union does - the Union, you will remember, that defeated the Confederacy. And if you want to go looking for Marxist bigotry, look no further than Cuba, which had a flag based on that of the United States, to which the communists did... absolutely nothing.
I think you may have confused the Confederate flag with the battle flag of the Confederacy. The Confederate flag has stars in a circle and red-and-white bars. The flag Dylann Roof brandished was the battle flag, which has a big "X" with stars on it. Both are hateful, but the battle flag is more so, because it loudly proclaims, as it flies over the South Carolina capitol, that the state quite literally refuses to give up the fight, militarily speaking.
Are you one of those who is proud of a confederate-soldier ancestor? If so, what have you and your family done to defend it from being usurped by the forces of racism and violence? Too late: you let it become dishonored then, and it can no longer be redeemed. Burn it.
They aren't stealing your fucking flag, they're taking down a flag that has nothing to do with the modern south from government buildings. That is it. Not to mention, it isn't even the actual flag used by the Confederacy (traitors). And if its about heritage, why not just have the Mexican flag flying over the Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, etc. state capitols, would you have a problem with that?
You'd think the way certain idiots have reacted about this that the government was going to knock on your door and demand your guns and your Confederate flag.
>Freedom of expression was designed for all, especially ideas/symbols that are controversial.
I agree, but there are limits, and the flagpole of a building serving the government that kicked the ass of the ideology that flag represents is not within those limits.
Also that was the Naval Jack of the Confreracy, although the designed used was on their actual flag, it was not the actual flag itself. Though apparently the flags of the south used to this day were also based on confederate flags, so I suspect that they might be next, but the flag of the USA itself, well that's as much a Sacred Cow as the Constitution, so that will not happen unless, ironically enough, the States are divided again.
Nobody gives a hot shit about your confederate flag, we just want them off of public buildings.
"No distinction is made, or sought, about why unrelated individuals possess and/or honor the flag."
I hate to Godwin, but he did it first so I think I'm good.
No distinction is made when somebody possesses or honor's the Nazi flag either. If you see somebody with that, you assume the worst.
The problem with these folks is that they continue to forget that "freedom of expression" is a two way street.
By the way if I remember correctly the Nazis blamed the Communists for the burning of the Reichstag. They used the assassination of a German diplomat in Paris by a Polish Jew for Kristallnacht and ever increasing sanctions against the Jews.
There is no Confederate States Of America, flag should never have been recognized on public institutions. It won't be illegal to privately fly them or paint them on your house, car or lawn.
Which I'm pretty sure we're gonna see a lot of soon.
The racists will announce themselves proudly on this cause.
The Confederate battle flag (not the flag of the Confederacy as many think it is) represents a an enemy military force that fought a war against the United States. Why would any patriotic American want the flag of an anti-American force that killed thousands of American soldiers in a war they initiated? This would be similar to a government building in the U.S. flying the Nazi flag, or the Japanese Imperial flag (also known as the Rising Sun flag), or the flag of North Korea.
To be fair, there are some people who overreacted. Apple, for instance, banned Civil War games from the app store for featuring the Confederate flag in a historical context.
I don't hate the South. I don't hate southerners.
I worship Bill Hicks, I read Zaid Jilani's articles regularly, and when the apocalypse comes I'm putting R.E.M.'s "It's The End Of The World" on loop.
You need to talk in a less diffuse manner and clearly, concisely state your gripes with the left.
I was going to point out the whole "Communists" thing, but Indicible beat me to it. However, it bears repeating that, if you're going to use a historical analogy to help your point, make sure you have your history right first .
Look, if you really insist on putting up the flag of an enemy of the state, at least pick a modern one. At this point your insistence on clinging to a long lost war is getting kinda pathetic. And no, it wasn't a war for freedom or any of that BS, it was a war for the right to own people. Zero sympathy over here.
The Nazi swastika was banned in Germany after WWII and is still banned, as far as I know. Slavery-romantics are fighting against banning the Confederate flag likewise.
The Confederates fought against the Federation, and they lost. How were they not enemies of the state?
Burning a flag is a controversial idea, so that must be protected as well.
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